Sophie Cunningham | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #692

This Past Weekend · Episode #692 · Host: Theo Von · Guest: Sophie Cunningham · Published Oct 28 2026 · Runtime 1:36:30 · Watch: YouTube

Indiana Fever guard Sophie Cunningham sits down with Theo for real versus made-up WNBA drama, the sex toy that hit her foot mid-game, and her Phoenix Mercury years of commercial flights and zero security. She talks about the Caitlin Clark class, sellouts and stalkers, what the next commissioner should do after Cathy Engelbert, her viral 22-second point, a $28,000 rookie year next to today’s CBA money, playing overseas and Project B, her surprise ring-girl walk at a UFC event, her faith, maternity pay in the league, and her new podcast, No Hesitation, with Drew Hanlen.

Chapters
  • 0:00 Theo’s intro: No. 8 for the Indiana Fever, and “absolutely hilarious.”
  • 0:20 Cold open: Tecovas boots and Theo’s missing “kickers.”
  • 1:20 In town for the race, with friends coming down for her first free weekend.
  • 1:50 The season’s end: the best-of-three series with the Aces.
  • 2:30 “Shots? Duh.” A blowout, a home win, and tough calls back in Vegas.
  • 3:10 Theo has been to Fever games the past two seasons.
  • 3:40 Dating and drama inside the WNBA: “There’s a web.”
  • 5:00 Theo asks about a “lesbian mafia”; Sophie says she’s “strictly dickly,” and to each their own.
  • 6:20 On the court you’re trying to win a game, not pass notes.
  • 6:40 The sex toy thrown onto the court in LA that hit her left foot.
  • 8:00 Teased in the locker room, and the fan banned for life.
  • 9:00 Growing up in Missouri in a family of Mizzou athletes: football, basketball, shot put and javelin.
  • 9:40 Theo’s one good team photo, and its 1800s filter.
  • 10:40 Theo the childhood smoker, who quit the team instead of the cigarettes.
  • 11:20 The clip of people smoking through a tracheotomy.
  • 13:20 Water down the wrong pipe: is there a word for it?
  • 14:00 Was there pressure to play sports in a family like hers?
  • 14:20 How many layups did the W miss last year? Theo asks for the stat.
  • 15:20 Did she start playing because she was tall?
  • 16:00 Every sport with her sister, and knowing at three to five years old she’d go pro.
  • 16:40 Her sister Lindsay, and two years together at Mizzou.
  • 17:20 Missouri made them eat and lift like football players.
  • 18:00 A drunk cigarette now and then, but no drugs growing up.
  • 19:20 Ad: PrizePicks.
  • 20:36 Ad: Morgan and Morgan.
  • 21:40 Phoenix Mercury days: commercial flights, and Theo spotting the team at the airport.
  • 22:50 Diana Taurasi and Brittney Griner at baggage claim.
  • 23:20 “Night and day”: no TV deals, and a black-screen app her parents had to use.
  • 24:00 The Clark, Brink, Van Lith and Reese class brought their college audience with them.
  • 24:20 Little girls who see someone like them on TV.
  • 25:00 She saw the hard years and now reaps the good ones; rookies only know private flights.
  • 25:40 Zero security her first five years.
  • 26:20 The layup stat: NBA teams miss 7.6 per 40 minutes, WNBA teams 9.6.
  • 26:50 “If I could dunk, I’d dunk it every single time.”
  • 27:20 Theo changes the subject with Tecovas boots.
  • 28:00 The airport swarm, and Sophie’s shout-out to Brittney Griner.
  • 28:40 A $5,000 Louis Vuitton bag to the nose, and a black eye.
  • 30:00 Theo mistakes “napkins” for a euphemism.
  • 30:40 How the Reese, Clark, Brink and Bueckers classes changed things.
  • 31:00 Diana Taurasi, “the GOAT of our game,” and sold-out Phoenix crowds.
  • 31:20 Indiana’s “nap town” days, and today’s Gainbridge crowds.
  • 31:40 Private flights and security now, and why it matters.
  • 32:20 The downside of fame: stalkers.
  • 33:00 The alleged stalker who shares a name with her miniature donkey.
  • 33:20 A judge denies a bail reduction in the case, read on air.
  • 34:00 More players can dunk now, including some on the Fever.
  • 34:30 Theo’s favorite player to watch: Aliyah Boston.
  • 35:00 Fever attendance: 6,300 a game in 2018, 1,700 in 2022, about 16,000 now.
  • 35:20 The coliseum years, and the “COVID times” excuse.
  • 36:00 Halftime shows, which she never sees from the locker room.
  • 36:20 The miniature donkey, and why it isn’t a house pet.
  • 36:50 The emotional support kangaroo on a plane.
  • 38:20 Theo and “Drewie” want a WNBA team in Nashville: the Studs or the Nashville Licks.
  • 39:32 Ad: Shopify.
  • 40:40 Commissioner Cathy Engelbert: give her credit, but she’s stepping down.
  • 41:40 What Adam Silver does well, and why the W needs a commissioner with a backbone.
  • 42:20 “God is my real boss,” and just say hi to the players.
  • 43:00 A growth mindset, and the standard for women’s sports leagues.
  • 43:40 The Dan Patrick Show on the commissioner skipping a scheduled interview.
  • 44:50 “Biden energy,” and the PR staff.
  • 45:00 Pressure is a privilege: the league asked for respect, so answer the tough questions.
  • 46:20 The shy commissioner, and Theo’s jobs for shy people.
  • 46:40 Theo’s buddy and the toll-booth lady.
  • 47:20 Theo’s note to a bank teller.
  • 48:20 Bank suckers and the pneumatic tube.
  • 49:00 How many points could Theo score in a WNBA game?
  • 49:40 Power forward, “slight forward,” and six points off the bench.
  • 50:40 Why the W has so much energy, and how the media stirs it up.
  • 51:20 Her new podcast with Drew Hanlen, No Hesitation: real basketball talk.
  • 52:20 Real basketball journalism versus clickbait.
  • 53:40 A good answer feels like sticking a gymnastics landing.
  • 54:00 “90% of WNBA drama is made up.”
  • 55:40 Teams that don’t like each other, and the second-job grind.
  • 56:40 The clip of her wrapping up an opponent, and blaming the refs.
  • 57:40 Do refs have licenses? A game that was “too much.”
  • 59:00 Rivalries make for good games.
  • 59:40 The famous point: is there a technique?
  • 1:00:00 Pointing isn’t rude: directions to Johnson’s farm.
  • 1:01:00 She gets paid to shoot threes, like the six Theo saw her hit.
  • 1:01:40 Ref 41, the Pointer Sisters detour, and “don’t you point at me.”
  • 1:02:20 Pointing for 22 seconds, with fresh nails, and the merch that followed.
  • 1:03:00 Fans used to ask for a headlock photo; now they want the point.
  • 1:03:20 Do players have second jobs? NBA money versus WNBA money.
  • 1:04:00 NBA minimums: $1.3 million for a rookie, $3.8 million for a 10-year veteran.
  • 1:04:20 Her $28,000 rookie year after tax.
  • 1:04:40 A Seattle player who worked at a grocery store, and the new CBA.
  • 1:05:00 Average and median WNBA salaries, and the $1 million earners.
  • 1:06:00 Does anyone in the league have an OnlyFans?
  • 1:07:00 What takes women out of the league.
  • 1:07:20 Playing overseas for the money: China, Russia, Turkey and Spain.
  • 1:08:00 Project B, the new offseason league she’s joining.
  • 1:08:20 “That’s Plan B.”
  • 1:08:40 Why she earned more from endorsements and broadcasting than overseas.
  • 1:09:00 The WNBA calendar: training camp in April through early October.
  • 1:09:40 Theo’s favorite on the Toronto Tempo, Izzy Harrison.
  • 1:10:00 Marina Mabrey in a Las Vegas hotel pool during summer league.
  • 1:10:50 Fans now scan WNBA rosters for “the hot one.”
  • 1:11:20 Theo saw her at a UFC event in Vegas, her first.
  • 1:11:40 A joke to Dana White, and “you’re up in five minutes.”
  • 1:12:00 The best-energy fight, the Paramount deal, and the McGregor moment.
  • 1:13:20 Walking the ring is harder than it looks: respect the ring girls.
  • 1:14:00 A rookie mistake: gasping at a kick in a silent arena.
  • 1:14:40 Knockouts versus chokeouts.
  • 1:15:05 Teams walking off during the anthem, and her support for veterans.
  • 1:16:40 “I need 20 seconds of your best behavior.”
  • 1:17:00 Taking stands in a league that doesn’t all agree.
  • 1:17:20 Theo’s idea for groups inside the league, and her call for unity.
  • 1:18:00 Rivalries are healthy, from SEC days at Missouri to the pros.
  • 1:18:30 What if every team were a state team?
  • 1:19:20 Do fans flirt from the stands? In a game you can’t hear the crowd.
  • 1:20:20 “Let me cross you up,” and Theo’s “heart of a lesbian” clip.
  • 1:21:00 Faith: baptized as an adult, raised Catholic, now non-denominational.
  • 1:22:00 Prayer, and staying “prayed up.”
  • 1:22:40 “There’s nothing you can or can’t do that’s going to separate you from God’s love.”
  • 1:23:40 Is the media unfair to Christians? A revival among athletes.
  • 1:25:00 Faith among athletes versus comedians.
  • 1:25:40 Religious guests, and history and science.
  • 1:26:00 Trying to book the Pope, prison phones, and Amish Timothy.
  • 1:26:40 Love Island? No.
  • 1:27:40 Family planning in the W: often the partner carries.
  • 1:28:40 Surrogates, “the greatest assist,” and more expansion-team names.
  • 1:29:20 Fresh halftime acts beyond Young M.A.
  • 1:29:40 Has anyone played pregnant?
  • 1:30:40 Maternity pay: 100% of base salary under the new CBA.
  • 1:31:20 Under older deals, pregnancy was treated like an injury.
  • 1:32:40 Where does a man meet Sophie Cunningham? Petco and hamsters.
  • 1:33:20 Theo’s hamster sales outside raves.
  • 1:33:40 Dating athletes: the schedule, and why male athletes are scary.
  • 1:34:40 No Hesitation is out, five or six weeks in.
  • 1:35:00 Offseason plans, and Kelsey Mitchell finishing school.
  • 1:35:20 Project B: 10 days on, in China, Singapore, Spain and Germany.
  • 1:36:00 Thanks, and the outro.
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Key topics
  • 21:40 Before the boom — Commercial flights, no security, games her parents could barely stream, and a Louis Vuitton bag to the nose in an airport swarm.
  • 30:40 The Caitlin Clark era — Sellouts, private flights and security arrived with the new class, and so did stalkers. Theo reads the Fever’s attendance jump.
  • 40:40 The next commissioner — Sophie gives Cathy Engelbert some credit, holds up Adam Silver as the model, and Theo plays the Dan Patrick clip.
  • 50:40 Made-up drama — Why she says 90% of WNBA drama is invented, and why she started No Hesitation with Drew Hanlen.
  • 59:40 The 22-second point — What happened with ref 41, why she held the point, and the merch that followed.
  • 1:03:20 The money — A $28,000 rookie year, NBA minimums, the new CBA, playing overseas and Project B.
  • 1:11:20 A surprise ring-girl walk — Her first UFC event, a joke to Dana White, and five minutes to get ready.
  • 1:21:00 Faith — Adult baptism, prayer, and athletes speaking openly about Jesus.
  • 1:27:40 Family planning in the league — Partners who carry, playing pregnant, and maternity pay under the new CBA.
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On this episode

Theo Von

Host. Pulls up the layup stats, the viral point clip and the Dan Patrick clip, and pitches some questionable expansion-team names. 0:20

Sophie Cunningham

Discussed for: No Hesitation (podcast) — YouTube

Guest. Indiana Fever guard and former Phoenix Mercury player from Columbia, Missouri. Co-hosts No Hesitation with Drew Hanlen and is playing in the new offseason league Project B. 0:00

People mentioned

Diana Taurasi

Sophie’s Phoenix teammate, “the GOAT of our game,” and a big reason Mercury games always sold out. 22:45

Brittney Griner

The other Mercury star; Sophie says she gets the worst rap and is the coolest person you’ll ever meet. 23:00

Cameron Brink

Part of the class that brought the league its new platform. 24:00

Hailey Van Lith

Named in the same class, with its college audience. 24:01

Caitlin Clark

Her Fever teammate; the class that changed everything. Theo later reads her salary on air. 30:45

Angel Reese

Named with Clark and Brink as the class that changed the league. 30:46

Paige Bueckers

Named as the next class after Clark’s. 30:50

Aliyah Boston

The Fever teammate Theo loves watching get better. 34:34

Cathy Engelbert

The outgoing WNBA commissioner; Sophie wants a successor with a backbone who talks to players. 40:45

Adam Silver

The NBA commissioner Sophie holds up for his relationship with players. 41:40

Dan Patrick

Theo plays his show’s clip about the commissioner skipping a scheduled interview. 43:40

Joe Biden

Theo says the commissioner gives off “a little Biden energy” in that clip. 44:50

Drew Hanlen

Trainer and Sophie’s co-host on No Hesitation, a strictly-basketball show. 51:33

Kelsey Mitchell

Fever teammate at the top of the league’s $1 million earners, who finished school during the season. 1:05:25

A’ja Wilson

Read out among the WNBA players earning $1 million or more. 1:05:26

Napheesa Collier

Also read out among the $1 million earners. 1:05:27

Erica Wheeler

Comes up when Theo reads a search result about players’ side income. 1:06:20

Liz Cambage

In the same search result; Sophie says staying in the league would have paid more. 1:06:25

Isabelle Harrison

The Toronto Tempo post player Theo names. 1:09:50

Marina Mabrey

The Tempo guard Theo saw in a Las Vegas hotel pool; Sophie calls her “a bucket.” 1:10:25

Dana White

Gave Sophie her ring-girl moment at her first UFC event. 1:11:30

Conor McGregor

Brought up as the best-energy fight at a UFC event. 1:12:07

Young M.A

Theo jokes that the league needs halftime acts beyond Young M.A. 1:29:25

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Products

WNBA Official Game Basketball (Wilson) — Closest match for the ball behind all those missed layups Theo pulls stats on. Amazon 14:33

Indiana Fever officially licensed T-shirt — For Fever fans, as Theo reads attendance jumping from 6,300 to about 16,000 a game. Amazon 35:00

The Pointer Sisters – Greatest Hits — Theo’s detour during the famous-point story. Amazon 1:01:47

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Discussed on the show

Tracheotomy smoking — The clip Theo pulls up of people smoking through a tracheotomy. Wikipedia 11:40

The 2024 WNBA draft class — Clark, Brink, Van Lith and Reese, and the audience they brought from college. Wikipedia 24:00

Missed layups — The stat: 7.6 missed per 40 minutes per NBA team, 9.6 in the WNBA. Wikipedia 26:20

The Fever attendance boom — Theo reads the Fever’s home averages, from about 1,700 a game in 2022 to sellouts now. Wikipedia 35:00

The emotional support kangaroo — A viral clip of a kangaroo holding its own plane ticket. Wikipedia 37:20

Expansion-team names — Theo’s pitches: the Studs, the Nashville Licks and, later, the Surrogates. Wikipedia 38:40

The skipped Dan Patrick interview — The commissioner’s canceled appearance, as told on his show. The Dan Patrick Show 43:40

NBA versus WNBA pay — NBA minimums, her $28,000 rookie year, and what the new CBA changed. WNBPA 1:04:00

Playing overseas for the money — Why WNBA players used to spend winters in China, Russia, Turkey and Spain, and why fewer do now. WNBA 1:07:20

Project B — The new global offseason league she’s playing in. Wikipedia 1:08:00

Ring girls at the UFC — Sophie’s first UFC event in Las Vegas, where a joke to Dana White turned into a ring-girl walk. Wikipedia 1:11:40

UFC on Paramount — The new deal that added commercial breaks, and a DJ moment in the ring. Paramount+ 1:12:10

Anthem walk-offs — Teams leaving during the anthem, and why she stays to honor veterans. Wikipedia 1:15:05

Adult baptism — Sophie was baptized as an adult after being raised Catholic. Wikipedia 1:21:05

Non-denominational Christianity — Where she lands now: “more Christian.” Wikipedia 1:21:30

Love Island — A rumor Theo heard; Sophie watched one episode and stopped. Wikipedia 1:26:45

Surrogacy — How some couples in the league have kids, and “the greatest assist.” Wikipedia 1:28:40

Maternity leave in the WNBA — Players now get 100% of base salary on maternity leave; older deals treated pregnancy like an injury. WNBA 1:31:00

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Places

Las Vegas, Nevada — The playoff loss to the Aces, a hotel pool sighting during summer league, and her first UFC event. Wikipedia 2:50

Los Angeles, California — Where the sex toy hit her foot on the free-throw line. Wikipedia 6:45

University of Missouri, Columbia — Sophie’s hometown school, where her whole family played sports. Wikipedia 9:05

Phoenix, Arizona — Where she started with the Mercury and the games always sold out. Wikipedia 21:52

Indianapolis, Indiana — Once “nap town,” now a Fever crowd. Wikipedia 31:30

Gainbridge Fieldhouse, Indianapolis — The Fever’s arena, now “people’s Super Bowl.” Wikipedia 31:40

Corteva Coliseum, Indianapolis — The state-fair coliseum the Fever played in around 2022. Wikipedia 35:10

Nashville, Tennessee — Where Theo wants to start a WNBA team. Wikipedia 38:35

Toronto, Ontario — Home of the new Toronto Tempo. Wikipedia 1:10:05

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Show plugs (1:34:40) — No Hesitation with Sophie Cunningham and Drew Hanlen, about five or six weeks in · YouTube

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