Joe Rogan Experience #2570 – Mystery Boys

• 1:40 The Octopus murders documentary, Mena, Arkansas, and the Vince Foster case, with Kurt recommending The Strange Death of Vince Foster.
• 15:00 Joe’s sea-serpent table and the walrus baculum Steven Rinella gave him.
• 25:30 An argument over vaccines, autism and profit motives in children’s medicine.
• 34:30 The U.S. biological warfare tests of the 1940s–60s, including simulants released in subways, and the OSS after World War II.
• 40:20 Hulu’s The Dropout, Amanda Seyfried as Elizabeth Holmes, and how far a grifter can get.
• 46:30 Eugenics, non-human intelligence theories and Annie Jacobsen’s DARPA book.
• 1:08:40 Bob Lazar and Element 115, then Altered States, atavism, the Book of Enoch and claims about giant skeletons, plus Daniel Everett’s two kinds of cannibalism.
• 1:31:00 The trailer for Artificial, the Epstein emails, Matt Taibbi, and Nick Bryant’s book on the Franklin scandal.
• 1:52:20 Duncan on The Midnight Gospel and working with Adventure Time creator Pendleton Ward.
• 2:00:00 The Boys from Brazil, cloning since Dolly the sheep, and a thought experiment about the Shroud of Turin.
• 2:06:00 Christian existentialism, Dostoevsky, and Paul on the road to Damascus, then upstate New York’s “psychic corridor” and NXIVM.
• 2:18:00 Cambridge Analytica, AI that reads brain signals, and how search results can shift undecided voters.

American Conspiracy: The Octopus Murders — The Netflix docuseries Kurt brings up right away. Netflix 1:40

The Strange Death of Vincent Foster (Christopher Ruddy) — The book Kurt read in the early 2000s. Amazon 2:20

Dune (Frank Herbert) — Duncan’s “transhuman nightmare from the Dune series” line. Amazon 35:40

The Dropout — The Hulu series on Elizabeth Holmes they’re both watching. Wikipedia 40:20

The Pentagon’s Brain (Annie Jacobsen) — Her history of DARPA. Amazon 48:40

Altered States (1980) — The isolation-tank movie behind the atavism tangent. Amazon 1:11:40

Don’t Sleep, There Are Snakes (Daniel Everett) — Everett’s book on his years in the Amazon. Amazon 1:21:00

The Franklin Scandal (Nick Bryant) — The book Kurt recommends. Amazon 1:37:40

The Midnight Gospel — Duncan’s animated Netflix series with Pendleton Ward. Netflix 1:52:20

The Boys from Brazil (1978) — The Nazi cloning thriller everyone forgot about. Amazon 2:00:00

The Brothers Karamazov (Fyodor Dostoevsky) — Kurt’s example of Christian existentialism. Amazon 2:06:00

U.S. biological warfare testing — A report on 160 tests with disease simulants, including in subways. Wikipedia 36:00

Cambridge Analytica — How a personality quiz harvested data from up to 87 million Facebook profiles. Wikipedia 2:18:00

Mena, Arkansas — The airport tied to the Barry Seal stories from Clinton’s years as governor. Wikipedia 3:00

San Francisco — Site of one of the Cold War germ-warfare simulant tests they read about. Wikipedia 34:30

Upstate New York’s “psychic corridor” — The 19th-century hotbed of spiritualism and new religions, near Albany. Wikipedia 2:12:00

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