Peter Diamandis sits down one-on-one with Martine Rothblatt on thymus rejuvenation, organs on demand, AI consciousness, and digital personhood.
Chapters
- 0:00 Why Rothblatt is the guest.
- 1:55 Moonshots in space and biotech.
- 3:54 How she picks which moonshot to chase.
- 5:48 Criticism, and getting past it.
- 10:00 Scaling a technology to billions.
- 11:59 Longevity escape velocity.
- 13:57 Rejuvenating the thymus.
- 19:55 Organs on demand.
- 22:13 Transplants and xenotransplantation.
- 23:58 AI, digital personhood, and consciousness.
- 31:50 Uploading a mind.
- 36:04 Space settlements and Gerard O’Neill.
- 38:48 Advice for founders.
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People
On this episode
Peter Diamandis
Host. Runs the one-on-one interview and the Fountain Life segment. 1:13
Martine Rothblatt
Guest. Founder of United Therapeutics and SiriusXM, on organs, the thymus, and digital minds. 2:17
People mentioned
Elon Musk
Named as the greatest living entrepreneur. Not on the call. 1:55
Gerard K. O’Neill
Named for the Space Studies Institute and O’Neill colonies. Not on the call. 1:23
Ray Kurzweil
Named as a mutual friend and United Therapeutics board member. Not on the call. 11:44
George Church
Named as the Harvard expert who said she could build lungs. Not on the call. 5:53
Arthur C. Clarke
Named for the line about wise old experts. Not on the call. 6:09
Robert A. Heinlein
Named for Time Enough for Love and the Heinlein Prize. Not on the call. 14:27
Nancy Manley
Named as the ASU thymus researcher. Not on the call. 18:18
Peter Zandstra
Named as the UBC aging-immunity researcher. Not on the call. 18:25
Demis Hassabis
Named for curing all disease in a decade. Not on the call. 25:37
Dario Amodei
Named for AI doubling the human lifespan. Not on the call. 25:41
David Sinclair
Named for epigenetic reprogramming work. Not on the call. 25:50
Marvin Minsky
Named as an early influence on digital minds. Not on the call. 27:45
Hans Moravec
Named alongside Minsky and Kurzweil. Not on the call. 27:46
Bina Rothblatt
Named as her wife, the model for the first digital doppelganger. Not on the call. 28:27
David Hanson
Named for building that first doppelganger. Not on the call. 28:32
Alex Wissner-Gross
Named by Peter as a moonshot mate who agrees on AI consciousness. Not on this call. 31:02
Javier Milei
Named for Argentina’s AI invitation. Not on the call. 31:49
Alan Dershowitz
Named for arguing AI legal rights in her film with Ray. Not on the call. 32:18
Pauley Perrette
Named as the actor who played Ramona. Not on the call. 32:21
Thomas Jefferson
Named as born at the wrong point in time. Not on the call. 33:45
Jared Isaacman
Named as Peter’s recent podcast guest. Not on this call. 38:52
Mark Zuckerberg
Named for a Wall Street Journal op-ed on AI fear. Not on the call. 45:59
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Named for nothing to fear but fear itself. Not on the call. 46:09
Warren Buffett
Named for saying no to almost everything. Not on the call. 48:25
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Products
Time Enough for Love — Heinlein’s novel, named for Lazarus Long’s renewal. Amazon 14:25
The Age of Spiritual Machines — Ray Kurzweil’s book, named as an early influence. Amazon 27:39
The Singularity Is Near — Ray Kurzweil’s follow-up, named in the same breath. Amazon 27:41
Virtually Human — Martine’s own book on AI personhood. Amazon 32:06
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Overview
Peter Diamandis sits down one-on-one with Martine Rothblatt on thymus rejuvenation, organs on demand, AI consciousness, and digital personhood.
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Places
| Place | Type |
|---|---|
| Harvard Medical School 5:57 | School |
| Arizona State University 18:08 | University |
| University of British Columbia 18:13 | University |
| Christiansburg, Virginia 22:57 | City |
| Rochester, Minnesota 23:05 | City |
| Houston, Texas 23:10 | City |
| UCLA 29:12 | University |
| Argentina 31:49 | Country |
| Hollywood Bowl 32:25 | Venue |
| Ohio 40:10 | State |
| Princeton 40:43 | City |
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Ads
- Blitzy (26:05) — spoken ad. Destination: blitzy.com.
- Fountain Life (36:50) — health segment with chief medical officer Dr. Dawn Mussallem. Destination: fountainlife.com/peter.
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