James Gunn on SmartLess: From Troma to DC, Fired & Rehired

SmartLess · Episode #267 · Hosts: Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett · Guest: James Gunn · Published Aug 18 2025 · Runtime 1:02:03 · Watch: YouTube

Jason, Sean and Will talk with James Gunn about writing Tromeo and Juliet for Troma for $150, running DC Studios with Peter Safran, and making Superman a movie about kindness, with his dog Ozu as Krypto. Plus the great trunks debate, how a sad raccoon unlocked Guardians of the Galaxy, Peacemaker season 2, and what AI means for Hollywood.

Chapters
  • 0:00 The “cozy” open, Will’s new haircut from Kevin Won (Kevin with a K), his hotel on Warren Street, the live show at the Avalon, and Jason officially joining Instagram for traffic updates.
  • 5:05 Will introduces James Gunn, and Sean explains how they met: dinner at Chris Pratt’s, The Holdovers, and the Taft painting with sausage links.
  • 8:39 Troma: writing Tromeo and Juliet for $150, Lloyd Kaufman, and learning every job on the set.
  • 13:33 Passion and luck, Peter Safran running the business side, and why DC never shoots an unfinished script: Supergirl, Clayface, and Batman’s moved date.
  • 18:29 DC vs. Marvel culture, Kevin Feige and Lou D’Esposito, and the streaming squeeze on quality.
  • 20:24 The new Superman: All-Star Superman, Peter Safran’s dream, Ozu the dog as Krypto, and kindness as Superman’s superpower.
  • 26:07 The great trunks debate, Zack Snyder, Lego Batman fan fights, and the “super-package.”
  • 30:27 How Guardians of the Galaxy happened: almost quitting film, a sad raccoon, Star Wars, 70s AM pop, and Chris Pratt.
  • 37:55 Peacemaker with John Cena, Creature Commandos, and writing 650 pages in a year.
  • 40:26 The first creative to run a studio, Marvel’s old creative committee, and David Zaslav’s “I love it” call about the Superman screen test.
  • 47:11 AI in Hollywood: VFX jobs, the lost training ground, Hallmark movies, songwriters on Spotify, and human connection as the premium.
  • 58:07 Peacemaker season 2 on HBO Max August 21 and its official podcast, then the hosts’ wrap-up.
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On this episode

Jason Bateman

Co-host. New to Instagram and ready to post traffic shots; makes the case for trunks as a practical layer. 4:07

Sean Hayes

Co-host. Already knows James from a dinner at Chris Pratt’s, and jokes that he read for Superman. 6:53

Will Arnett

Co-host. Introduces James, remembers Troma ads on Ninth Avenue, and swaps notes on fan fights from voicing Lego Batman. 5:05

James Gunn

Guest. Writer-director and co-chairman and CEO of DC Studios, on Troma, Superman, Guardians, Peacemaker and AI. 6:43


People mentioned

Kevin Won

Will’s hairstylist in New York, the man behind the new cut. 1:38

Chris Pratt

Hosted the dinner where Sean and James met; later, Will’s ode to him from Parks and Rec to Guardians. 6:53

Alexander Payne

Director of The Holdovers, the movie they watched that night. 6:53

William Howard Taft

The president in the painting behind James, with sausage links for a watch chain. 8:09

Lloyd Kaufman

Head of Troma, who paid James $150 for Tromeo and Juliet. 10:18

Roger Corman

Will asks if Kaufman is an East Coast Corman. 10:35

Sean Gunn

James’s actor brother, covered in fake blood in their childhood movies. 13:18

Peter Safran

James’s partner at DC Studios and former manager, whose dream was a Superman movie. 14:59

Ana Nogueira

Wrote the Supergirl script DC green-lit. 16:53

Mike Flanagan

Wrote the Clayface script. 16:53

Matt Reeves

DC moved the next Batman date to give him time on the script. 17:17

Kevin Feige

Marvel Studios chief; James calls him a great guy who cares about the movies. 18:46

Louis D’Esposito

Marvel’s other leader, praised alongside Feige. 18:46

Grant Morrison

Writer of All-Star Superman. 21:59

Frank Quitely

Artist of All-Star Superman. 21:59

Jamie Grant

Colorist of All-Star Superman. 21:59

Jerry Siegel

Co-created Superman as a strongman type, hence the trunks. 27:20

Joe Shuster

Superman’s co-creator and artist. 27:20

Zack Snyder

Took the trunks away, and fans were outraged. 27:43

David Corenswet

The new Superman, who argued for the trunks. 29:17

Bradley Cooper

The voice of Rocket; executives once asked why he didn’t sound like himself. 34:03

John Cena

Star of Peacemaker; James’s press-junket partner now. 37:02

David Zaslav

The one boss DC answers to, who called to say he loved the screen test. 45:42

Rachel Brosnahan

Lois Lane, from the screen test with Corenswet. 46:05

Rhett Miller

Co-wrote songs with James for the Guardians holiday special. 57:36

Tyler Bates

Co-wrote a song with James for Guardians 2. 57:36

Jonny Greenwood

Will’s example of a rock musician who scores films. 57:59

Jennifer Holland

James’s wife and Peacemaker co-star, and co-host of its podcast. 58:20

Steve Agee

Plays Economos and co-hosts the Peacemaker podcast. 58:20

Danielle Brooks

One of the podcast’s guest stars. 58:43

Mike De Luca

Warner Bros. film chief, a past SmartLess guest. 59:49

Pam Abdy

Warner Bros. film chief, on the show with De Luca. 59:49

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Products

The Holdovers (2023) — the Alexander Payne movie they watched after dinner. Amazon 7:04

Tromeo and Juliet — James’s first screenplay, for Troma. Amazon 9:13

The Toxic Avenger — the Troma hit that paid the bills. Amazon 9:38

Slither (2006) — James’s directing debut, from the intro. Amazon 6:20

Superman (2025) — the new movie, with Krypto modeled on James’s dog. Amazon 20:24

All-Star Superman — the comic James reread before cracking Superman. Amazon 21:32

The Lego Batman Movie — Will’s Batman, and the endless best-Batman fights. Amazon 28:04

Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) — the movie that launched James to the next level. Amazon 31:29

Guardians of the Galaxy: Awesome Mix Vol. 1 — the platinum soundtrack of 70s AM pop. Amazon 34:53

Peacemaker (HBO Max) — season 2 premieres August 21. Max 58:20

Peacemaker season 1 — the show James created with John Cena. Amazon 38:09

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Places

Warren Street Hotel, New York — the Firmdale hotel where Will is staying. 2:33

Avalon Hollywood — where SmartLess did its live show. 3:20

Interstate 405 — Jason’s first Instagram traffic update. 4:21

St. Louis, Missouri — James’s hometown. 5:27

Columbia University — where James was in grad school for writing. 5:36

Troma Entertainment, New York — the indie studio where James got his start. 9:00

Manhattan Beach, California — where Marvel was when they called. 32:34

Studio City, Los Angeles — James’s starting point for that drive. 32:40

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