William H. Macy joins Mark and Sam to talk Fargo, Boogie Nights and Magnolia, working with David Mamet, Shameless, his new project The Land, Woody Creek Distillers, motorcycles, audition advice, nepotism, AI and mocap, and why most people are terrible storytellers.
Chapters
- 0:00 Introduction to Train Dreams.
- 1:21 Reflecting on Fargo.
- 3:00 Psychology of film characters.
- 5:28 Boogie Nights and Magnolia.
- 7:16 The craft of writing and acting.
- 9:38 Collaborating with David Mamet.
- 11:28 Working with iconic directors.
- 13:37 The state of modern cinema.
- 16:24 Memorable roles and casino films.
- 18:56 Acting as a couple and TV trends.
- 21:16 The Shameless experience.
- 23:52 Stories about David Mamet.
- 27:14 New projects: The Land.
- 29:22 Woody Creek Distillers.
- 33:42 Motorcycle adventures.
- 36:16 Sponsor segments.
- 40:50 Personal pet peeves.
- 44:39 Film and media recommendations.
- 48:47 Storytelling etiquette.
- 52:34 Actors and industry behavior.
- 55:09 Iconic co-stars and collaborations.
- 57:45 Directorial aspirations and memories.
- 1:00:44 Audition advice for aspiring actors.
- 1:03:46 Nepotism and the future of acting.
- 1:06:51 AI, mocap, and long-term careers.
- 1:10:08 Reflecting on iconic scenes.
- 1:15:43 Whiskey, ryes, and show sign-off.
- 1:22:24 Final banter.
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Mark Normand
Host. 0:00
Sam Morril
Host. 0:00
William H. Macy
Discussed for: Train Dreams Netflix · The Cooler Amazon · Fargo Amazon · Shameless Amazon
Guest. Actor. 0:00
People mentioned
David Mamet
Discussed for: American Buffalo Amazon · State and Main Amazon · House of Games Amazon
Longtime collaborator. 9:38
Joel and Ethan Coen
Discussed for: Fargo Amazon
Fargo’s directors. 1:40
Paul Thomas Anderson
Discussed for: Boogie Nights Amazon
Boogie Nights and Magnolia. 1:40
Frances McDormand
Discussed for: Fargo Amazon
Marge in Fargo. 3:07
Philip Seymour Hoffman
Discussed for: Capote Amazon
“The best of us.” 5:20
Tom Cruise
Discussed for: Magnolia Amazon
The Magnolia underwear question. 7:10
Joe Mantegna
Discussed for: House of Games Amazon
“If you looked up cool in the dictionary.” 10:30
Woody Allen
Discussed for: Radio Days Amazon
Radio Days set. 11:20
Robert Joy
Discussed for: Radio Days Amazon
Asked Woody who he was playing. 11:40
Steve Buscemi
Discussed for: Fargo Amazon
“Funny looking.” 16:30
Maria Bello
Discussed for: The Cooler Amazon
Co-star. 17:40
Wayne Kramer
Discussed for: The Cooler Amazon
Cut the scenes Macy couldn’t justify. 19:20
Felicity Huffman
Discussed for: Desperate Housewives Amazon
Macy’s wife. 18:40
Aaron Sorkin
Discussed for: Sports Night Amazon
Sports Night writer. 20:17
John Wells
Discussed for: Shameless Amazon
Shameless showrunner. 22:19
Steven Schachter
Macy’s roommate in the Mamet cheese story. 24:00
Rich Eisen
Macy’s 8-minute interview. 23:40
Paul Newman
Discussed for: The Verdict Amazon
Mamet-written film. 26:40
Christopher Meloni
In The Land. 28:25
Chloe Bennet
In The Land. 28:25
Jim Jefferies
Line about sober friends’ stories. 30:30
Bradley Cooper
Discussed for: Is This Thing On? Amazon
Plays “a fabulous nerd.” 44:32
Will Arnett
Discussed for: Is This Thing On? Amazon
Co-star. 44:32
Dustin Hoffman
Discussed for: Lenny Amazon
Played Lenny Bruce. 46:20
Adam Sandler
Discussed for: Funny People Amazon
A comic playing a comic. 46:34
Ben Stiller
Discussed for: Severance Amazon
Directs Severance; parents doc. 47:37
Julia Louis-Dreyfus
Discussed for: Veep Amazon
“A beast.” Dream guest. 48:10
Matthew Modine
Random name thrown out. 52:41
Tommy Lee Jones
Discussed for: The Client Amazon
“A rough guy.” 52:50
Harrison Ford
Discussed for: Air Force One Amazon
Co-star; carpenter turned icon. 55:00
Francis Ford Coppola
Discussed for: The Conversation Amazon
Directors Macy would love to work with. 55:43
Laurence Fishburne
Discussed for: Apocalypse Now Amazon
Lied about his age for Apocalypse Now. 56:30
The Wachowskis
Discussed for: Bound Amazon
Directing siblings. 56:40
Jennifer Tilly
Discussed for: Bound Amazon
Bound. 56:50
Gina Gershon
Discussed for: Bound Amazon
Bound. 56:50
Susan Sarandon
Discussed for: Thelma & Louise Amazon
Macy’s co-star in his next film. 57:00
Brad Pitt
Discussed for: Thelma & Louise Amazon
Young Brad Pitt. 57:40
Quentin Tarantino
On Macy’s wish list. 58:20
Martin Scorsese
Discussed for: Mean Streets Amazon
“In a New York minute.” 58:44
Richard Dreyfuss
Discussed for: Mr. Holland’s Opus Amazon
Mr. Holland. 1:00:00
Sofia Macy
Macy’s daughter doing self-tapes. 1:01:44
Jonah Feingold
Directing the hosts’ movie. 1:03:10
Brian Regan
“I would pay to do comedy.” 1:04:00
Jason Reitman
Discussed for: Thank You for Smoking Amazon
Ivan Reitman’s son. 1:05:40
Robert McKee
Discussed for: Story Amazon
Three-act structure guru. 1:13:52
Brian Cox
Discussed for: Adaptation Amazon
Plays McKee. 1:14:10
Robert De Niro
Discussed for: Mean Streets Amazon
The bar entrance. 1:14:40
Harvey Keitel
Discussed for: Mean Streets Amazon
Annoyed in one shot. 1:14:53
Sean Kenyon
Bartender; Alps motorcycle trip. 33:10
Nick Offerman
Discussed for: Lagavulin Offerman Edition Amazon
His whiskey is in the studio. 1:20:00
George Clooney
Discussed for: Casamigos Amazon
His tequila. 1:20:00
George Washington
Distilled rye after office. 1:21:10
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Products
Train Dreams — the rec that opens the show. Amazon 0:00
Fargo — Macy reflects on it. Amazon 1:21
Woody Creek Distillers — Macy’s whiskey talk. Official site 29:22
Blood Simple — Coen brothers debut. Amazon 2:07
The Office — Old TV go-to. Amazon 3:07
Mission: Impossible III — Philip Seymour Hoffman as the villain. Amazon 6:05
Before the Devil Knows You’re Dead — Hoffman role. Amazon 6:10
Capote — Hoffman role. Amazon 6:10
Along Came Polly — Hoffman being hilarious. Amazon 6:10
State and Main — Mamet script Macy loved. Amazon 9:11
House of Games — Mamet con movie. Amazon 10:11
Homicide — Mamet with Joe Mantegna. Amazon 10:11
The Simpsons — Fat Tony; Macy’s cameo and jacket. Amazon 10:11
Radio Days — Macy’s bit part with Woody Allen. Amazon 11:12
The Cooler — Shot in a Reno casino with Maria Bello. Amazon 16:14
Sports Night — Aaron Sorkin series with Felicity Huffman. Amazon 19:16
Seinfeld — Laugh tracks that work; still a go-to. Amazon 20:17
Frasier — Laugh-track sitcom. Amazon 20:17
The Honeymooners — What laugh tracks feel like now. Amazon 20:17
American Buffalo — Where Mamet put the cheese fight. Amazon 23:19
Wag the Dog — Watched for the first time. Amazon 26:20
The Verdict — Mamet-written Paul Newman film. Amazon 26:23
Glengarry Glen Ross — “Steak knives.” Amazon 26:23
Marty Supreme — Macy is in it briefly. Amazon 26:23
Friday Night Lights — Football show comparison. Amazon 27:24
Any Given Sunday — The NFL wouldn’t bless it, so: the Sharks. Amazon 27:24
Woody Creek potato vodka — Eight pounds of potatoes in every bottle. Amazon 31:27
Woody Creek rye whiskey — Macy’s 10-year bottled-in-bond rye. Amazon 31:27
Fortaleza Tequila — The crew Macy rode the Alps with. Amazon 33:29
Wild Hogs — They trained to ride for it. Amazon 34:29
Triumph Bonneville T100 — Macy’s LA bike. Amazon 35:29
Memphis Belle — Macy’s B-17 pilot dad picked it apart. Amazon 45:33
Lenny — The Dustin Hoffman stand-up biopic. Amazon 45:33
Funny People — Sandler playing a comic. Amazon 46:34
Hamnet — The Oscar film ending at the Globe. Amazon 46:34
Severance — Apple TV series. Amazon 46:34
Veep — Julia Louis-Dreyfus comedy. Amazon 47:37
Stiller & Meara: Nothing Is Lost — Ben Stiller’s doc on his parents. Amazon 48:00
AirPods — The ones that keep getting lost. Amazon 50:38
Wired headphones — $7 wired earbuds. Amazon 50:40
The Client — Tommy Lee Jones and Susan Sarandon. Amazon 52:41
Air Force One — Macy with Harrison Ford. Amazon 54:43
The Conversation — Young Harrison Ford in Coppola’s film. Amazon 55:43
Apocalypse Now — Ford’s bit part; Fishburne lied about his age. Amazon 55:43
The Matrix — Fishburne and the Wachowskis. Amazon 55:43
Bound — Wachowskis’ ’90s noir. Amazon 56:43
Bull Durham — Sarandon resume. Amazon 56:43
The Rocky Horror Picture Show — Sarandon resume. Amazon 56:43
Thelma & Louise — Darker than you remember; young Brad Pitt. Amazon 56:43
Megalopolis — Coppola’s latest. Amazon 57:44
Mr. Holland’s Opus — Macy’s buzz-cut vice principal. Amazon 58:44
Thank You for Smoking — Jason Reitman dark comedy. Amazon 59:44
Up in the Air — Reitman; airline status. Amazon 1:05:47
Mr. Scorsese — The Scorsese doc tracing his career. Amazon 1:06:48
Boxcar Bertha — Where Scorsese started. Amazon 1:06:48
The Aviator — Where Scorsese ended up. Amazon 1:06:48
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes — Macy acted opposite mocap apes. Amazon 1:07:48
The Secret Agent — Oscar nominee Macy calls overrated. Amazon 1:12:51
Is This Thing On? — Bradley Cooper and Will Arnett comedy. Amazon 1:12:51
Story by Robert McKee — The three-act structure book. Amazon 1:13:52
Adaptation — Brian Cox plays McKee. Amazon 1:13:52
Mean Streets — De Niro walks into the bar. Amazon 1:13:52
Desperate Housewives — Felicity Huffman’s rebirth. Amazon 1:16:53
Modern Family — Old TV go-to. Amazon 1:17:54
Bodega Cat Rye — The hosts’ rye, made in Indiana. Amazon 1:17:54
Lagavulin Offerman Edition — Nick Offerman’s whiskey in the studio. Amazon 1:19:55
Casamigos — Clooney’s tequila. Amazon 1:19:55
Amaro Nonino — Paper Plane ingredient. Amazon 1:23:59
Aperol — Paper Plane ingredient. Amazon 1:23:59
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Peeves
- 12:42 Watermarked, hand-delivered scripts (William H. Macy) — “What are they guarding against?”
- 14:14 Funny violence (William H. Macy) — Kill 20 people, crack a quip, everybody roars: “that’s pornography,” not drama.
- 15:30 Comedy trailers that open with a kick to the balls — If that’s your go-to, the comedy’s going to stink.
- 18:16 Vegas (William H. Macy) — “There’s not a blade of grass in the whole city.”
- 20:17 Laugh tracks on new shows — Sweetened audiences feel like The Honeymooners.
- 40:40 Classic stuffing, spruced up (William H. Macy) — Giant walnuts and fancy spins on Thanksgiving: “just get the box.”
- 41:30 Weird stuff in mac and cheese — Just give me the mac and cheese.
- 42:03 The voicemail robot lady (William H. Macy) — “You may hang up when finished”: “why are you reading me my rights?”
- 42:30 Gas-pump warning signs — Signs at an LA gas station saying the gas will kill you.
- 43:00 Pointless warning billboards — An LAX billboard about elder abuse: who is a billboard going to stop?
- 49:38 Full names in every story — “I was talking to a Peter Glassman.” Just use first names.
- 50:10 “You know Bob Johnson?” — Name-dropping strangers before getting to the story.
- 50:30 The endless vacation-photo hunt — “You’ve got to see this,” then five minutes of scrolling.
- 50:50 AirPods — Lost three pairs drunk, and callers always say “I can’t hear you.”
- 51:39 Stories with no ending (William H. Macy) — “Drive for the curtain.” Cut, edit, keep it tight, and don’t step on the punchline.
- 53:20 Actors who make sets miserable (William H. Macy) — Frightened actors who pick a fight with catering, costumes or the DP.
- 1:12:51 The Secret Agent (William H. Macy) — Kept waiting for the Oscar nominee to begin.
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Recs
- 0:06 Train Dreams — Watched on William H. Macy’s recommendation; “a wonderful film.” Netflix
- 9:11 State and Main (William H. Macy) — Mamet comedy: “knee-slappingly funny.” Amazon
- 10:11 House of Games — David Mamet’s con movie with Joe Mantegna: “so many twists.” Amazon
- 16:14 The Cooler — “If you guys haven’t seen The Cooler,” awesome soundtrack too. Amazon
- 26:20 Wag the Dog — “Really funny” and prescient. Amazon
- 32:28 Woody Creek purple gin (William H. Macy) — Gin colored with butterfly pea flower; on the rocks with a squeeze of lemon. Woody Creek Distillers
- 46:34 Hamnet (William H. Macy) — The Globe ending works because of the look on her face. Amazon
- 46:34 Severance — “Once you’re in, you’re in.” Apple TV
- 47:37 Veep — “A joke a second.” Amazon
- 48:00 Stiller & Meara: Nothing Is Lost — Ben Stiller’s doc on his parents; “heavy, heavy stuff.” Apple TV
- 50:40 Wired headphones — Old-school $7 earbuds on Amazon beat AirPods on calls. Amazon
- 56:43 Bound — Wachowskis’ ’90s noir with Jennifer Tilly and Gina Gershon. Amazon
- 59:44 Thank You for Smoking — Jason Reitman’s dark comedy. Amazon
- 1:05:47 Up in the Air — Hits home for traveling comedians and airline status. Amazon
- 1:12:51 Is This Thing On? (William H. Macy) — Bradley Cooper and Will Arnett comedy shot at the Comedy Cellar: “I peed my pants.” Amazon
- 1:13:52 Mean Streets — The De Niro bar entrance tells you who everyone is in one shot. Amazon
- 1:23:59 The Paper Plane — Equal parts rye, lemon, Amaro Nonino and Aperol: “order one now.” Amazon
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