William H. Macy w/ Sam Morril & Mark Normand – We Might Be Drunk Podcast

We Might Be Drunk · Hosts: Mark Normand, Sam Morril · Guest: William H. Macy · Published May 4 2026 · Runtime 1:27:03 · Watch: YouTube

William H. Macy joins Mark and Sam to talk Fargo, Boogie Nights and Magnolia, working with David Mamet, Shameless, his new project The Land, Woody Creek Distillers, motorcycles, audition advice, nepotism, AI and mocap, and why most people are terrible storytellers.

Chapters
  • 0:00 Introduction to Train Dreams.
  • 1:21 Reflecting on Fargo.
  • 3:00 Psychology of film characters.
  • 5:28 Boogie Nights and Magnolia.
  • 7:16 The craft of writing and acting.
  • 9:38 Collaborating with David Mamet.
  • 11:28 Working with iconic directors.
  • 13:37 The state of modern cinema.
  • 16:24 Memorable roles and casino films.
  • 18:56 Acting as a couple and TV trends.
  • 21:16 The Shameless experience.
  • 23:52 Stories about David Mamet.
  • 27:14 New projects: The Land.
  • 29:22 Woody Creek Distillers.
  • 33:42 Motorcycle adventures.
  • 36:16 Sponsor segments.
  • 40:50 Personal pet peeves.
  • 44:39 Film and media recommendations.
  • 48:47 Storytelling etiquette.
  • 52:34 Actors and industry behavior.
  • 55:09 Iconic co-stars and collaborations.
  • 57:45 Directorial aspirations and memories.
  • 1:00:44 Audition advice for aspiring actors.
  • 1:03:46 Nepotism and the future of acting.
  • 1:06:51 AI, mocap, and long-term careers.
  • 1:10:08 Reflecting on iconic scenes.
  • 1:15:43 Whiskey, ryes, and show sign-off.
  • 1:22:24 Final banter.
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On this episode

Mark Normand

Host. 0:00

Sam Morril

Host. 0:00

William H. Macy

Discussed for: Train Dreams Netflix · The Cooler Amazon · Fargo Amazon · Shameless Amazon

Guest. Actor. 0:00


People mentioned

David Mamet

Discussed for: American Buffalo Amazon · State and Main Amazon · House of Games Amazon

Longtime collaborator. 9:38

Joel and Ethan Coen

Discussed for: Fargo Amazon

Fargo’s directors. 1:40

Paul Thomas Anderson

Discussed for: Boogie Nights Amazon

Boogie Nights and Magnolia. 1:40

Frances McDormand

Discussed for: Fargo Amazon

Marge in Fargo. 3:07

Philip Seymour Hoffman

Discussed for: Capote Amazon

“The best of us.” 5:20

Tom Cruise

Discussed for: Magnolia Amazon

The Magnolia underwear question. 7:10

Joe Mantegna

Discussed for: House of Games Amazon

“If you looked up cool in the dictionary.” 10:30

Woody Allen

Discussed for: Radio Days Amazon

Radio Days set. 11:20

Robert Joy

Discussed for: Radio Days Amazon

Asked Woody who he was playing. 11:40

Steve Buscemi

Discussed for: Fargo Amazon

“Funny looking.” 16:30

Maria Bello

Discussed for: The Cooler Amazon

Co-star. 17:40

Wayne Kramer

Discussed for: The Cooler Amazon

Cut the scenes Macy couldn’t justify. 19:20

Felicity Huffman

Discussed for: Desperate Housewives Amazon

Macy’s wife. 18:40

Aaron Sorkin

Discussed for: Sports Night Amazon

Sports Night writer. 20:17

John Wells

Discussed for: Shameless Amazon

Shameless showrunner. 22:19

Steven Schachter

Macy’s roommate in the Mamet cheese story. 24:00

Rich Eisen

Macy’s 8-minute interview. 23:40

Paul Newman

Discussed for: The Verdict Amazon

Mamet-written film. 26:40

Christopher Meloni

In The Land. 28:25

Chloe Bennet

In The Land. 28:25

Jim Jefferies

Line about sober friends’ stories. 30:30

Bradley Cooper

Discussed for: Is This Thing On? Amazon

Plays “a fabulous nerd.” 44:32

Will Arnett

Discussed for: Is This Thing On? Amazon

Co-star. 44:32

Dustin Hoffman

Discussed for: Lenny Amazon

Played Lenny Bruce. 46:20

Adam Sandler

Discussed for: Funny People Amazon

A comic playing a comic. 46:34

Ben Stiller

Discussed for: Severance Amazon

Directs Severance; parents doc. 47:37

Julia Louis-Dreyfus

Discussed for: Veep Amazon

“A beast.” Dream guest. 48:10

Matthew Modine

Random name thrown out. 52:41

Tommy Lee Jones

Discussed for: The Client Amazon

“A rough guy.” 52:50

Harrison Ford

Discussed for: Air Force One Amazon

Co-star; carpenter turned icon. 55:00

Francis Ford Coppola

Discussed for: The Conversation Amazon

Directors Macy would love to work with. 55:43

Laurence Fishburne

Discussed for: Apocalypse Now Amazon

Lied about his age for Apocalypse Now. 56:30

The Wachowskis

Discussed for: Bound Amazon

Directing siblings. 56:40

Jennifer Tilly

Discussed for: Bound Amazon

Bound. 56:50

Gina Gershon

Discussed for: Bound Amazon

Bound. 56:50

Susan Sarandon

Discussed for: Thelma & Louise Amazon

Macy’s co-star in his next film. 57:00

Brad Pitt

Discussed for: Thelma & Louise Amazon

Young Brad Pitt. 57:40

Quentin Tarantino

On Macy’s wish list. 58:20

Martin Scorsese

Discussed for: Mean Streets Amazon

“In a New York minute.” 58:44

Richard Dreyfuss

Discussed for: Mr. Holland’s Opus Amazon

Mr. Holland. 1:00:00

Sofia Macy

Macy’s daughter doing self-tapes. 1:01:44

Jonah Feingold

Directing the hosts’ movie. 1:03:10

Brian Regan

“I would pay to do comedy.” 1:04:00

Jason Reitman

Discussed for: Thank You for Smoking Amazon

Ivan Reitman’s son. 1:05:40

Robert McKee

Discussed for: Story Amazon

Three-act structure guru. 1:13:52

Brian Cox

Discussed for: Adaptation Amazon

Plays McKee. 1:14:10

Robert De Niro

Discussed for: Mean Streets Amazon

The bar entrance. 1:14:40

Harvey Keitel

Discussed for: Mean Streets Amazon

Annoyed in one shot. 1:14:53

Sean Kenyon

Bartender; Alps motorcycle trip. 33:10

Nick Offerman

Discussed for: Lagavulin Offerman Edition Amazon

His whiskey is in the studio. 1:20:00

George Clooney

Discussed for: Casamigos Amazon

His tequila. 1:20:00

George Washington

Distilled rye after office. 1:21:10

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Products

Train Dreams — the rec that opens the show. Amazon 0:00

Fargo — Macy reflects on it. Amazon 1:21

Boogie Nights — Amazon 5:28

Magnolia — Amazon 5:28

Woody Creek Distillers — Macy’s whiskey talk. Official site 29:22

Blood Simple — Coen brothers debut. Amazon 2:07

The Office — Old TV go-to. Amazon 3:07

Mission: Impossible III — Philip Seymour Hoffman as the villain. Amazon 6:05

Before the Devil Knows You’re Dead — Hoffman role. Amazon 6:10

Capote — Hoffman role. Amazon 6:10

Along Came Polly — Hoffman being hilarious. Amazon 6:10

State and Main — Mamet script Macy loved. Amazon 9:11

House of Games — Mamet con movie. Amazon 10:11

Homicide — Mamet with Joe Mantegna. Amazon 10:11

The Simpsons — Fat Tony; Macy’s cameo and jacket. Amazon 10:11

Radio Days — Macy’s bit part with Woody Allen. Amazon 11:12

The Cooler — Shot in a Reno casino with Maria Bello. Amazon 16:14

Sports Night — Aaron Sorkin series with Felicity Huffman. Amazon 19:16

Seinfeld — Laugh tracks that work; still a go-to. Amazon 20:17

Frasier — Laugh-track sitcom. Amazon 20:17

The Honeymooners — What laugh tracks feel like now. Amazon 20:17

American Buffalo — Where Mamet put the cheese fight. Amazon 23:19

Wag the Dog — Watched for the first time. Amazon 26:20

The Verdict — Mamet-written Paul Newman film. Amazon 26:23

Glengarry Glen Ross — “Steak knives.” Amazon 26:23

Marty Supreme — Macy is in it briefly. Amazon 26:23

Friday Night Lights — Football show comparison. Amazon 27:24

Any Given Sunday — The NFL wouldn’t bless it, so: the Sharks. Amazon 27:24

Woody Creek potato vodka — Eight pounds of potatoes in every bottle. Amazon 31:27

Woody Creek rye whiskey — Macy’s 10-year bottled-in-bond rye. Amazon 31:27

Fortaleza Tequila — The crew Macy rode the Alps with. Amazon 33:29

Wild Hogs — They trained to ride for it. Amazon 34:29

Triumph Bonneville T100 — Macy’s LA bike. Amazon 35:29

Memphis Belle — Macy’s B-17 pilot dad picked it apart. Amazon 45:33

Lenny — The Dustin Hoffman stand-up biopic. Amazon 45:33

Funny People — Sandler playing a comic. Amazon 46:34

Hamnet — The Oscar film ending at the Globe. Amazon 46:34

Severance — Apple TV series. Amazon 46:34

Veep — Julia Louis-Dreyfus comedy. Amazon 47:37

Stiller & Meara: Nothing Is Lost — Ben Stiller’s doc on his parents. Amazon 48:00

AirPods — The ones that keep getting lost. Amazon 50:38

Wired headphones — $7 wired earbuds. Amazon 50:40

The Client — Tommy Lee Jones and Susan Sarandon. Amazon 52:41

Air Force One — Macy with Harrison Ford. Amazon 54:43

The Conversation — Young Harrison Ford in Coppola’s film. Amazon 55:43

Apocalypse Now — Ford’s bit part; Fishburne lied about his age. Amazon 55:43

The Matrix — Fishburne and the Wachowskis. Amazon 55:43

Bound — Wachowskis’ ’90s noir. Amazon 56:43

Bull Durham — Sarandon resume. Amazon 56:43

The Rocky Horror Picture Show — Sarandon resume. Amazon 56:43

Thelma & Louise — Darker than you remember; young Brad Pitt. Amazon 56:43

Megalopolis — Coppola’s latest. Amazon 57:44

Mr. Holland’s Opus — Macy’s buzz-cut vice principal. Amazon 58:44

Thank You for Smoking — Jason Reitman dark comedy. Amazon 59:44

Up in the Air — Reitman; airline status. Amazon 1:05:47

Mr. Scorsese — The Scorsese doc tracing his career. Amazon 1:06:48

Boxcar Bertha — Where Scorsese started. Amazon 1:06:48

The Aviator — Where Scorsese ended up. Amazon 1:06:48

Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes — Macy acted opposite mocap apes. Amazon 1:07:48

The Secret Agent — Oscar nominee Macy calls overrated. Amazon 1:12:51

Is This Thing On? — Bradley Cooper and Will Arnett comedy. Amazon 1:12:51

Story by Robert McKee — The three-act structure book. Amazon 1:13:52

Adaptation — Brian Cox plays McKee. Amazon 1:13:52

Mean Streets — De Niro walks into the bar. Amazon 1:13:52

Desperate Housewives — Felicity Huffman’s rebirth. Amazon 1:16:53

Modern Family — Old TV go-to. Amazon 1:17:54

Bodega Cat Rye — The hosts’ rye, made in Indiana. Amazon 1:17:54

Lagavulin Offerman Edition — Nick Offerman’s whiskey in the studio. Amazon 1:19:55

Casamigos — Clooney’s tequila. Amazon 1:19:55

Amaro Nonino — Paper Plane ingredient. Amazon 1:23:59

Aperol — Paper Plane ingredient. Amazon 1:23:59

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Peeves
  • 12:42 Watermarked, hand-delivered scripts (William H. Macy) — “What are they guarding against?”
  • 14:14 Funny violence (William H. Macy) — Kill 20 people, crack a quip, everybody roars: “that’s pornography,” not drama.
  • 15:30 Comedy trailers that open with a kick to the balls — If that’s your go-to, the comedy’s going to stink.
  • 18:16 Vegas (William H. Macy) — “There’s not a blade of grass in the whole city.”
  • 20:17 Laugh tracks on new shows — Sweetened audiences feel like The Honeymooners.
  • 40:40 Classic stuffing, spruced up (William H. Macy) — Giant walnuts and fancy spins on Thanksgiving: “just get the box.”
  • 41:30 Weird stuff in mac and cheese — Just give me the mac and cheese.
  • 42:03 The voicemail robot lady (William H. Macy) — “You may hang up when finished”: “why are you reading me my rights?”
  • 42:30 Gas-pump warning signs — Signs at an LA gas station saying the gas will kill you.
  • 43:00 Pointless warning billboards — An LAX billboard about elder abuse: who is a billboard going to stop?
  • 49:38 Full names in every story — “I was talking to a Peter Glassman.” Just use first names.
  • 50:10 “You know Bob Johnson?” — Name-dropping strangers before getting to the story.
  • 50:30 The endless vacation-photo hunt — “You’ve got to see this,” then five minutes of scrolling.
  • 50:50 AirPods — Lost three pairs drunk, and callers always say “I can’t hear you.”
  • 51:39 Stories with no ending (William H. Macy) — “Drive for the curtain.” Cut, edit, keep it tight, and don’t step on the punchline.
  • 53:20 Actors who make sets miserable (William H. Macy) — Frightened actors who pick a fight with catering, costumes or the DP.
  • 1:12:51 The Secret Agent (William H. Macy) — Kept waiting for the Oscar nominee to begin.
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Recs
  • 0:06 Train Dreams — Watched on William H. Macy’s recommendation; “a wonderful film.” Netflix
  • 9:11 State and Main (William H. Macy) — Mamet comedy: “knee-slappingly funny.” Amazon
  • 10:11 House of Games — David Mamet’s con movie with Joe Mantegna: “so many twists.” Amazon
  • 16:14 The Cooler — “If you guys haven’t seen The Cooler,” awesome soundtrack too. Amazon
  • 26:20 Wag the Dog — “Really funny” and prescient. Amazon
  • 32:28 Woody Creek purple gin (William H. Macy) — Gin colored with butterfly pea flower; on the rocks with a squeeze of lemon. Woody Creek Distillers
  • 46:34 Hamnet (William H. Macy) — The Globe ending works because of the look on her face. Amazon
  • 46:34 Severance — “Once you’re in, you’re in.” Apple TV
  • 47:37 Veep — “A joke a second.” Amazon
  • 48:00 Stiller & Meara: Nothing Is Lost — Ben Stiller’s doc on his parents; “heavy, heavy stuff.” Apple TV
  • 50:40 Wired headphones — Old-school $7 earbuds on Amazon beat AirPods on calls. Amazon
  • 56:43 Bound — Wachowskis’ ’90s noir with Jennifer Tilly and Gina Gershon. Amazon
  • 59:44 Thank You for Smoking — Jason Reitman’s dark comedy. Amazon
  • 1:05:47 Up in the Air — Hits home for traveling comedians and airline status. Amazon
  • 1:12:51 Is This Thing On? (William H. Macy) — Bradley Cooper and Will Arnett comedy shot at the Comedy Cellar: “I peed my pants.” Amazon
  • 1:13:52 Mean Streets — The De Niro bar entrance tells you who everyone is in one shot. Amazon
  • 1:23:59 The Paper Plane — Equal parts rye, lemon, Amaro Nonino and Aperol: “order one now.” Amazon
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