Massie’s Primary Loss + AI Wars Heat Up – PBD 802

PBD Podcast · Episode #802 · Host: Patrick Bet-David · Panel: Tom Ellsworth · Guests: Richard Werner, Luke Gromen · Published May 20 2026 · Runtime 2:08:00 · Watch: YouTube

Patrick Bet-David and Tom Ellsworth are joined by economist Richard Werner and macro analyst Luke Gromen for Thomas Massie’s Kentucky primary loss, the OpenAI vs. Anthropic fight after an OpenAI founder leaves, Meta’s 8,000 layoffs and “bullshit jobs,” Trump denying Xi–Putin reports, the Russia–Ukraine war, and a Fed warning that inflation could push rates up.

Chapters
  • 0:00 Show intro.
  • 0:37 Topics on the show.
  • 12:32 An OpenAI founder leaves for Anthropic, and the AI safety fight.
  • 21:50 David Graeber’s Bullshit Jobs and bloated companies.
  • 28:38 Meta lays off 8,000 employees.
  • 36:15 AI data centers in the UAE as war targets.
  • 47:05 Massie’s primary loss, and money in politics.
  • 1:10:09 Trump denies the Xi–Russia reports; where the Ukraine war goes.
  • 1:36:30 The Fed may raise rates because of inflation; debt, Treasuries and AI unemployment.
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People

On this episode

Patrick Bet-David

Host. 0:00

Tom Ellsworth

Co-host. 0:00

Richard Werner

Guest. Economist. 0:00

Luke Gromen

Guest. Founder of FFTT, LLC. 0:00


People mentioned

Xi Jinping

Reported Putin comments. 7:24

Sam Altman

OpenAI CEO in the AI-safety fight. 14:33

David Graeber

Author of Bullshit Jobs. 21:50

Thomas Massie

Lost his Kentucky primary. 47:05

Jeb Bush

Money vs. endorsements. 50:40

Vladimir Putin

Does he regret the war? 1:12:21

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Products

Luke Gromen’s FFTT research — his macro newsletter. Official site 0:00

Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber — cited by Richard Werner. Amazon 21:50

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Places

United Arab Emirates — AI infrastructure hit in the war. 36:15

Kentucky — Massie’s primary. 47:05

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