Summary
Hosts Sam Morril and Mark Normand are joined by comedians Mike Lawrence and Mike Vecchione. The episode features the hosts and guests reminiscing about their early days in the New York City comedy scene, sharing wild anecdotes from various clubs, and discussing the struggles of the comedy industry. Topics range from their comedy heroes to the frustrations of selling a TV show with actor Brian Cox. The comedians also talk about pop culture, parenting, and their upcoming tour dates.
Guests Profile
Mike Lawrence
Mike Lawrence is a comedian and the guest on this episode. He is one of Sam Morril’s oldest comedy friends. He is also the host of the podcast “Nerd of Mouth”. He discusses his experiences writing for award shows and his creative process.
Mike Vecchione
Mike Vecchione is a comedian and guest on the podcast. He joins the hosts to promote his new YouTube special, “Low-Income White”. He and Sam Morril share their ongoing struggle to sell a TV show with actor Brian Cox attached. He is also part of a Euro tour with Sam Morril.
This episode of the "We Might Be Drunk" podcast features a reunion of comedians and friends, with hosts Sam Morril and Mark Normand joined by guests Mike Lawrence and Mike Vecchione. The conversation begins with Lawrence being introduced as one of Sam Morril's oldest friends in comedy. They share formative stories from the early New York City comedy scene, recalling clubs like Mo Pitkins (The Pit) and Auto Shrunken Head, and mentioning fellow comedians like Zach Sims. A significant segment focuses on wild anecdotes from NYC clubs, including a tense confrontation Mark Normand had during Obama's 2009 inauguration night in Harlem. They also vividly describe Mocha's Lounge (Smokey's), a club where the owner, Smokey Suarez, would "trash" comedians who bombed.
The discussion moves to comedy heroes, with Sean Patton being praised as a "beacon of hope" for his generation. They reflect on the "wilderness years" of comedy, a period of building one's act in front of peers, and contrast this with the modern era of posting content online. A frustrating aspect of the entertainment industry is highlighted as Sam Morril and Mike Vecchione share their 18-month struggle to sell a TV show, despite having actor Brian Cox attached. The episode includes humorous anecdotes about Hollywood, such as Brian Cox's non-method acting and Jared Leto's extreme method acting for Suicide Squad. They also discuss movies, pop culture, and changing sensitivities in comedy, noting that films like Rush Hour now have disclaimers for "outdated jokes".
Later segments delve into nostalgia for 90s sitcoms like The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Family Matters, and the evolution of voice acting on shows like The Simpsons. They share more comedy club memories, including the sad story of an open micer named Gowi, who had a line cut from the 30 Rock finale and watched it from a homeless shelter. The conversation turns to roast battles, with Mike Lawrence recounting a brutal roast of Ralphie May and the shift to more personal attacks. Mike Lawrence, known for his prolific writing, discusses his creative process and the challenges of writing for TV. They touch on the impact of social media on comedy and express exhaustion with the prevalence of Trump jokes. The episode concludes with a rapid-fire list of pet peeves, a discussion about parenting and Mike Lawrence's official autism diagnosis at 38, and a mention of upcoming tour dates and their Bodega Whiskey brand.
00:00 — Comedy Reunion & Early Days
Mike Lawrence is introduced as a long-time friend of Sam Morril, and the group reminisces about their early days in the New York City comedy scene and performing at venues like Mo Pitkins.
06:00 — Stories from NYC Comedy Clubs
Mark Normand recounts a tense confrontation he had during Obama's inauguration night in Harlem. The comedians also discuss Mocha's Lounge, an "inclusive but insensitive" club run by Smokey Suarez.
14:00 — Comedy Heroes & Finding Your Voice
The group praises comedian Sean Patton and reflects on the "wilderness years" of comedy.
25:00 — Behind the Scenes: The Comedy Industry
Sam Morril and Mike Vecchione discuss their ongoing 18-month struggle to sell a TV show, even with actor Brian Cox attached, and express frustration with Hollywood's slow pace.
32:00 — Brian Cox, Method Acting, & Hollywood Tales
The conversation covers different acting styles, contrasting Brian Cox's non-method approach with Jeremy Strong's method acting. They also share humorous anecdotes about Jared Leto and Jim Carrey.
41:00 — Movies, Reviews, and Comedy in Pop Culture
The comedians discuss various films, praise actor Gary Oldman, and note the changing sensitivities in comedy, such as disclaimers on old movies like Rush Hour.
50:00 — Sitcoms, Childhood TV, and Nostalgia
A nostalgic look back at 90s sitcoms like The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Diff'rent Strokes. They also talk about voice acting and societal norms of the past.
58:00 — Comedy Club Memories & Touring Stories
More anecdotes from their early comedy careers are shared, including a sad story about an open micer named Gowi and the evolution of Colin Kane's persona.
01:06:00 — Roast Battles and Writing Tough Jokes
Mike Lawrence delves into the intense nature of comedy roast battles, specifically one with Ralphie May, and the shift from lighthearted roasts to personal attacks.
01:15:00 — Crafting Comedy & The Writing Process
The group discusses the challenges of constantly developing new material.
01:25:00 — Topical Jokes, Twitter, and Political Comedy
They express exhaustion with Trump jokes and analyze the impact of social media, particularly Twitter, on comedy writing.
01:32:00 — Pet Peeves: Life's Everyday Annoyances
A rapid-fire list of personal pet peeves, including people who respond with "Who me?" when directly addressed.
01:39:00 — Parenting, Kids' Content, & Autism Awareness
The comedians discuss parenting challenges. Mike Lawrence shares his official autism diagnosis at 38 and talks about his podcast, "Nerd of Mouth".
01:44:00 — Collectibles, Action Figures, and Hobbies
Mike Lawrence discusses his addiction to collecting action figures and talks about fan interactions related to collectibles.
01:49:00 — Comedy Writing, Award Shows, and Jokes for Celebs
Mike Lawrence shares his experiences writing for the Golden Globes with Nikki Glaser and writing jokes for Brad Pitt.
01:55:00 — Sitcom History & What Makes a Hit
A discussion on the evolution of sitcoms, from "family comedies" to the success of Seinfeld, and a critique of the modern TV industry's lack of risk.
02:00:00 — Upcoming Shows & Final Thoughts
Mike Vecchione and Sam Morril promote their extensive upcoming tour dates, including a Euro tour and a performance at Carnegie Hall. They also mention their Bodega Whiskey brand.
Sam Morril - Host
Mark Normand - Host
Mike Lawrence - Guest
Mike Vecchione - Guest
Brian Cox - Actor attached to a TV show project with Sam Morril and Mike Vecchione.
Zach Sims - Fellow comedian from their early days.
Smokey Suarez - Comedian and owner of Mocha's Lounge in Harlem.
Sean Patton - Comedian praised as a "beacon of hope".
Mike D'Stefano - Comedian who gave advice to "hide as long as you can".
Jeremy Strong - Actor mentioned for his method acting.
Jared Leto - Actor mentioned for his extreme method acting.
Jim Carrey - Actor mentioned for his method acting in Man on the Moon.
Marlon Brando - Actor mentioned for method acting.
Gary Oldman - Actor praised for his versatility.
Will Smith - Actor mentioned for his "Pretty Girls" rap comeback and the Oscars slap.
James Avery - Actor who played Uncle Phil in The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and voiced Shredder.
Reginald VelJohnson - Actor who played Carl Winslow in Family Matters.
Gary Coleman - Actor from Diff'rent Strokes.
Dan Castellaneta - Voice actor for Homer Simpson and others.
Harry Shearer - Voice actor for The Simpsons.
Gowi - An open micer from "The Pit" with a heartbreaking story about a line being cut from the 30 Rock finale.
Colin Kane - Comedian whose career evolution is discussed.
Louis C.K. - Comedian mentioned in relation to Colin Kane's manager.
Ralphie May - Comedian involved in a brutal roast battle with Mike Lawrence.
Nikki Glaser - Comedian Mike Lawrence wrote for the Golden Globes with.
Brad Pitt - Actor Mike Lawrence wrote jokes for.
John Max - Contact through whom Mike Lawrence wrote jokes for Brad Pitt.
Byron Allen - Comedian whose show "Comics Unleashed" is returning to TV.
Tina Fey - Comedian/writer mentioned in a critique of the modern TV industry's lack of risk.
Pete Davidson - Comedian mentioned in relation to fan interactions and collectibles.
Miss Rachel - Children's entertainer discussed in relation to a podcast Mike Lawrence hosted.
Jeffrey Epstein - Mentioned in the context of Mike Lawrence's failed attempts to write jokes about him.
Countries: Europe, Scotland, United States.
Cities/Towns: Akron (OH), Amsterdam, Austin, Barcelona, Chicago, Cincinnati, Crown Heights (Brooklyn), Dallas, Dayton, Des Moines, Detroit, Dublin, Halifax, Hamptons, Harlem (New York), Hartford, Hattiesburg, Helsinki, Huntsville, Irvine, Las Vegas, London, Los Angeles, Montreal, New Orleans, New York City, Niagara Falls, Oklahoma City, Oslo, Ottawa, Paris, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Reno, Rochester (NY), Salt Lake City, San Diego, San Jose, Stockholm, Syracuse, Tempe, Winnipeg.
Specific Locations: Mo Pitkins (The Pit), Auto Shrunken Head, Mocha's Lounge (Smokey's), The Cabin, Carnegie Hall, Caroline's, Chicago Theater, Comic Strip (The Comic Strip), Gotham, Irvine Improv, Largo (LA), The Stand, Village Lantern, Turks and Caicos.
Bodega Whiskey: The hosts' own whiskey brand.
Shopify: An e-commerce platform and a podcast sponsor. Discount Code/URL: shopify.com/drunk (for a $1 per month trial).
Hims: A sponsor offering prescription treatments. Discount Code/URL: hims.com/drunk (for a free online visit).
Amazon: Mentioned in the context of the TV show project and e-commerce.
Nateland Entertainment: Production company for Mike Vecchione's special.
Byron Allen's "Comics Unleashed": A returning TV show.
Cross Colors: A clothing brand.
Death Row Records: A record label.
Disney Plus: A streaming service.
eBay: Mentioned in the context of fan collectibles.
Funko Pops: Collectible vinyl figures.
Movies/Shows: The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Family Matters, Diff'rent Strokes, The Drew Carey Show, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Rush Hour, Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets, Suicide Squad, Man on the Moon, 30 Rock, Squid Game.
Podcasts: Nerd of Mouth (hosted by Mike Lawrence).
Products: Bodega Whiskey.
Direct Quotes:
"He was an unbelievable comedian, a beacon of hope for our generation." (Sean Patton)
"Hollywood is insanely lazy. They’re just always on vacation." (Sam Morril)
"You're a grown man in a Silver Surfer shirt." (Mike Lawrence's wife to Mike Lawrence, post-autism diagnosis)
"What? That's horseshit, that's not a thing!" (Brian Cox on the "male biological clock" pitch)
"I'll kill you motherfucker... I'll fucking stab you and then I'll shoot you." (A sound effects comic to Mark Normand)
"She was like 'And Tina said that I was going to get a line in the finale.' And then I watched it in my shelter." (Gowi)
Key Takeaways:
The "wilderness years" of comedy were a formative period for comedians, in contrast to the modern reliance on social media.
Hollywood's slow pace and "insanely lazy" executives can be a major source of frustration for creators.
Method acting is a contentious topic, with some actors fully immersing themselves while others, like Brian Cox, do not.
Changing social sensitivities are leading to disclaimers on old movies and influencing modern comedy.
Comedy roast battles can shift from playful jabs to deeply personal attacks.
Mike Lawrence received an official autism diagnosis at the age of 38.
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We're back. We're joined by a very old and good friend, the hilarious Mike Lawrence.
Hey, what's up? This is great. Mike. Hey, how are you? Maybe my oldest comedy Well, Veer is the
first guy I met in comedy. You might have been second or third. Veer's up there for me. Oldest, too. Oh, yeah. He was around.
Mo Pitkins. Mo Pitkins. The Pit. I walked by Auto Shrunken Head the other night. I was just going to
Oh yeah, I was going to bars with Todd Barry, which I don't know which is sadder.
We walked by and I was like, "Fuck, that was a bad room. What do What's what I got to do to get booked around here."
Yeah. I remember I remember you coming with Zack Sims and I I've told people the story of
He was funnier at first. He just worked so hard and found your
voice. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Well, he's he's still around. He's still cooking. But uh he Zach had that funny joke about uh how
he's always the one when he goes out with his friends. Put the goat down.
I love that bit. Yeah, he did funny [ __ ] He had a great joke about his stepdad had a gun on his hip and he's like he
also had an extra clip, you know, for all the gunplay. He's going to I'm butchering it, but it was
Yeah. Yeah. And you know, well, we didn't do him justice there, but No, no, but he and uh
everyone in the comments like, "Fuck that guy." He's also alive. Yeah, he is alive. He started before me, so he knew how to
do comedy and I was uh trying to But you guys lived together and you traveled together. Well, Sean Patton
came first. Yeah, he was the mecca. Hey, go go go follow Shawn Patton. He's there. He's the beacon of hope.
He's the Yeah, he's the the best ever, I think, in I love Sean of like not not of all time, but of like
guys that I came up with and worked with. Unbelievable. Great story. I think like you know those
cabin sets and stuff like I don't I don't think anyone else where I was like I don't think I'll ever be
that good like like Sean was that guy for me. Yeah. New stuff every week. He would command that room. We'd all stand back
there and it was a judgy room of comedians and he still killed with all of us.
Yeah. Beast. I'm I'm get like whatever people say about Kenison at the store that that was
padded at cabin for me. Well, he's one of those guys too. kind of like a Rory Scoville where you can't
capture him with a camera. No, you kind of have to be there which is a a problem for a comedian because you want to blow
up and get exposure. I remember they did that article on him like how late night sets didn't capture him and it's you can't you can't put a
he doesn't have any bits that are five minutes. Yeah, that's true. Well, his whole thing is he loses you
and then he gets you. Yes. But he loses you for a long time
and in five minutes you just lose. Right. you can't get. So, this whole thing would be, you know,
it was amazing to watch the the hole he would dig for himself, even in front of people who knew and liked him, he would
still find a way to alienate them just to win them back. Yeah. Yeah. Which is which is a skill. I mean,
oh, it's a masterful skill. It's such a skill. It's like Yeah. the the keeping people at a distance and then the [ __ ] the hook.
And it's especially a skill when you're coming up where you just want to be liked so badly and you're like, he
doesn't care if they don't like him. that great story about uh getting thrown out of the strip club after he had the
breakup and it's this long bill, but the turn is how the guy threw him out. He's like, why are you throwing me out? He goes, I just can't have you crying in
here. But that turn is like, oh, you're just waiting for like Yeah.
What did he do? Yeah. Yeah. He had that 8minute bit about falling in love and finding the woman of his dreams. Now they're living together and
he's going to propose to her and then at the end he's like, I don't have a girlfriend. I made it all up. I think
what would be funny is you would you would see a bit and then you'd want to see it again and then he just wouldn't because he's doing something completely
brand new. I know. Yeah. And you're just like, "Oh man." Which is almost like a a bad thing. I
mean, you like you want you want to see someone hone, but that was hard in the early days if you're around the same comics. It's hard to it's hard to tweak
a bit. Totally. Totally. Cuz you're in your head, you're like, "Fuck, they're judging me for doing this bit again."
And me and Mark would see each other 10 times a week, you know, sometimes. And just and then you would then you would
like just perform for him, you know, or you perform for me because we were the only people that
would be the consistency and I wanted you to like me. And these new quefs, they have it so
easy because they can just put [ __ ] online. We had to build it in front of each other. I think there's good and bad to that.
I agree. I agree. I think it's better to build, but they don't have to go through that pain, that awkwardness.
Yeah, but you have to know who you are more quickly now. That sucks. like the wilderness years are gone of just being
able to take risk and find yourself. I love that I was at like, you know, Broadway in the comic strip cuz no one
saw me. No one who mattered saw. So I was like, I don't want comics to see. I want I I remember Mike D.
Stefano, RP Mike, hilarious guy. One of my favorite jokes ever when he had uh remember that bit he had was his agent's
like, "Fax me a bio." He's like, "Bio? I I scream at strangers in a bar for a living." What did you do before that? I
was a drug counselor. What did you do before that? I was a drug addict. What do you do before that? I was 12.
That's a great joke. But he was like, "Just hide. Just hide as long as you can. You don't want comics to see you." And then you come out of nowhere,
they'll be like, "Oh, who's this guy?" As opposed to like, you know, that's the the one issue with starting in a in a
big pond like New York where you just like people are like, "Does that guy still suck?" Like, no. Sometimes they
get better. Yeah. You'll talk about somebody and not realize that like you last saw them like
during Obama's first term. Right. Right. You're like, "Oh, he always does that thing." And I'm like, "I don't know if
he does." Yes. Dude, remember remember the night that Obama got inaugurated in 2009 and we we
went up to Harlem? Oh, yeah. You and me. And you made fun of this comic. You He
was doing sound The guy was doing sound effects. So then Norman called him police academy. Yeah. Michael Winslow.
Stories from NYC Comedy Clubs
And the guy he pulled me to the side. Oh hilarious. I remember he had a cream colored suit like a yellowish.
It wasn't by the very yellowish by the end. Yeah. And brownish. And
dude it was so And he was going to kick your ass. He was like I'll kill you [ __ ] Like you don't talk [ __ ] about me. You know he's doing act. He's like I'll [ __ ]
stab you and then I'll shoot you. Yeah. cuz the white confidence we had
that night because it was like the happiest that audience had ever been and we're like we can get away with it cuz I
remember I went up I had a great set and Norman was doing great but then he made fun of the guy and th you know those
guys it's it's not the same of like camaraderie it's like no you're taking money out of my pocket
yes but I thought hey I would say this to a white guy I'll say it to him and it was not we went up there together once right was
it Mocha's lounge or smokey smoky smoky suarez I remember one
I was bombing so bad that the odor just stands up, looks me in the eyes, and goes, "You done."
Damn, dude. Dude, I would have loved if he beat you up and as he's he's doing punching.
Yeah, the old man. Zam clap.
I'm going to automatope peel your ass. Yeah, that that Mous Lounge was wild cuz
they would let you on Yeah. And there was no rhyme or reason to it. There was no lineup or anything. Like you're on
now. You'd go up and you you'd do your thing and then if you bombed, he would [ __ ] on you
and your whole look and your whole act. Yeah. But he let anyone up. That was was
funny was we were used to the alternative places in Brooklyn and stuff where they do the first part but not the
second part. They judge you and make fun of your act, but they don't put you on stage. Yeah. He
That is the difference between white and black people, I think. Right there. They'll give you a chance. It was like quiet versus like [ __ ] you.
It was inclusive but insensitive. And it was always funny going with different white comics seeing who would
code switch and who wouldn't and it was Oh, and if and if I went with someone who co I
could never look at them the same way again. Yeah. Well, he would you would either go blacker or you'd go whiter. Those are
your options. Like, oh god, G willers. What am I doing up north? Oh, boy. You know, or you'd be like,
this [ __ ] knows what I'm talking about. Up top, man. Do you know where the magical Johnson theater is?
Oh, boss. [ __ ] Play this. Keep the car closer so I can cut him.
He's He's going blacker for sure. Yeah, he did crack. So, I'll give him a couple
couple black moments. I mean, some of the guys in the audience would become Israelites, just not the kind he is.
He had the Fat Farm shirt on. Oh my god. A real shirt is code switching.
And let's be real, doing crack is kind of code switching as well. So, sure. Sure. Yeah. I got cross colors.
Damn. What was that show, right? White Boys in the Hood. That was like a a whole thing that was just that. Yeah. Kurt Mezer, Big Jay, they all did
it. Joey Gay did it. Yeah. Damn. Then there was Apollo, too. You could do the Apollo New Talent Night. Can you
imagine if you were like a a white comic that that did well in those rooms all the time and you didn't get booked on
that show and you're like what what is there for me if I don't have this if I can't get white boys in the hood?
Well, dude, Diddy had that one too, remember? Yeah. Diddy had his own It was like Bad Boys
of Comedy. Oh, yeah. Pull that up.
Wow. Is it? I mean, I guess you're not using that credit anymore. But I guess
maybe you are. He is innocent. Detroit. He goes by the name. Innocent of trafficking.
You don't do a setup. You just lube the punchline. Thank you. Thank you.
How y'all doing, Brooklyn? Uhoh. This guy looks nervous already. You know what? I'm glad to be here, y'all. But uh I had to go to the
dentist, right, and get my partials and [ __ ] hooked up cuz one day all my teeth
just start falling the [ __ ] out. I ain't bullshitting. I was I was talking to a
[ __ ] one day and I say, "Is this a sound effects guy?" No, he was dressed better and one of them flew out.
This guy is great cuz he could be on a corner in New York just getting chained. That guy has the same smile Mark would have had if that guy punched him.
That's true. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, dude. He would zing you. He was basically kill
Tony. He was kill Smokey. Yeah. Just trash your whole act.
Yeah, dude. Mike and I are were we're were like in the process of waiting to see if we sold a show. I feel weird even
talking about it since it hasn't gone through yet, but like we've been working on a show for 18 months. Wow.
And we got Brian Cox attached and we're still having trouble. Yeah. the industry you stick.
It has been so fun working with Sam because I feel like such like a LA
sellout sherpa cuz I have I've had to like explain to him how lazy the
industry truly is. Oh, hey. Cuz you were like the most proactive guy I've ever seen. It'll be like, you know,
Monday and he's like, "They haven't called back." I'm like, "They're not going to call back for three weeks." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you do get impatient.
That's Hollywood, man. He's Jewish and he's found out there's other holidays they celebrate.
You know what's crazy is like they're just insanely lazy and you can't if you
follow these people on Instagram, you're going to want to kill yourself cuz you're like Turks and Caos again. It's a [ __ ] work week.
I know. It's crazy. That's my show money. They say we can't afford it and I'm like go to Turks or
Caos. And I saw I saw Bezos's wedding. I'm like, dude, that could have [ __ ] been three
seasons of our show. Come on. We're waiting on Amazon. We're like hoping. But
every time a spaceship goes up, that's [ __ ] eight pilots. Katy Perry,
dude. We're like waiting on it. And it's uh just to get Brian Cox attached is insane. Like we got we got him based on
He thought the script was He does the Zoom calls with us from like 11 p.m. his time. He's in Scotland.
Wow. Doing a play. So he does a full play and then he's like he's so fun in person. Like he's so
cool. I haven't seen him like but but like when you talk to him, he's just I I like this character because he is an
[ __ ] A proper [ __ ] Yes. He's supposed to play my biological father on the show. Is that's I mean
he's a terrible person in the He's my biological father, a narcissist, but we made him charming in the show. So, it's
fun. It's a fun character. What about a production company shooting it and then trying to sell it? Because I
know you guys don't want to fund it. That's probably the next step if we don't sell it. Don't go right to them. Go to someone
who could shoot it. You know, we're saying I'm impatient. It has been 18 months. Yeah. No, no, but this is TV.
It's TV, man. Amazing. Like the thing that made me really love, you know, I've I've always like been a fan of Brian Cox and like,
you know, he's in one of the best superhero movies, X2 and Super Troopers.
Yeah. You know, 25th Hour, Zodiac, he's adaptation.
We were, you know, I was watching like, you know, those Vanity Fair things where they talk about their whole career and
he was like, for years people would look at me and be like, who are you? And he's like, that doesn't happen anymore. Now I
am Logan Roy. Yes. Oh, but I remember there was like an article about him and uh Jeremy Strong.
Oh, yeah. Like the difference between method and non-method where he's like I just the camera comes on and I'm Logan,
right? And Jeremy would be like I you know he would like call him dad and stuff like
I always I always love like the the met you know the the the famous right Lawrence Olivier
Comedy Heroes & Finding Your Voice
Dustin Hoffman. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know that one. Well, you know, we stayed up for like 3 days. Dustin Hoffman, uh, you know, he's like,
"I have to be, you know, I'm getting tortured. I have to be a mess, you know, in the scene." And Lawrence Olivia is like, "My son, have you tried acting?"
Yeah, that's the line. Was it was Jared Jared Leto on the on the set of Su Suicide Squad, you know,
was sending like rat feces and like chicken heads and stuff. And there was an article and it was like Viola Davis
is having none of Jared Leto's [ __ ] Like she just went up to him and said, "Knock it off, Jared." Wow.
I remember remember there was a story where on the set of MorbiiUs like this is funny if you method for a bad movie.
It's like what's the point? Yeah. But apparently you don't hear about Rob Schneider going you know he really was a European jig
this time. But um you see the Andy the what is it Jim
Carrey they say and everybody hated him. Oh, dude. Milo Milos Foreman in that in
that he's like, "Jim, can can we please do another I'm not Jim. I'm Andy." And
then he and he's just like, "Okay, Andy, this guy did Amadeus and one flows over
the cuckoo's nest." I I understand like staying in an accent or something, but like staying in
character to me is it does seem a little But but the morbiest thing was, you know, before he becomes the living
vampire, he's a guy on crutches. He would use the bathroom in crutches and it would stall production for 45
minutes. Wow. And you know when you're like the producers and stuff, there's overtime and stuff like that.
There's a story about Marlon Brando doing that where he was he wanted to be cranky, so he stayed in an actual hospital bed for like six weeks and was
rude to the nurses and and you're thinking like I'm sure someone could have used that hospital bed. Yeah, hospitals are over.
What year was it? Cuz it might have been two. True. That's true. Holy [ __ ] he got fed.
Well, dude, what about the guy playing a pedophile? Does he go method? I was at a summer camp, but it's for the
role. Cox has played a pedophile, so I hope not. That's why Jeremy Strong was calling him
dead. We uh when I was with him, those boys were Jeremy Weak.
I I loved Yeah. I love interacting with him, though. He's like the coolest dude. and he uh one of my favorite parts is
like you know we're selling this trying to sell this show and we have our friend Matt who's a production guy and we we
really like him but he keeps pushing the show as you know it's it's the male biological clock and Mike and I are like
yeah yeah but there's other it's like a father son show and Matt's like it's the the male biological clock no one's done that and we're like it's like weird to
say you know with women they might be pitching to women they're going to be like and he's like no trust me so we're on a pitch and uh
and he go and we do our thing and then he goes and it's also the male biological clock. And Brian Cox goes,
"What?" He's like, "That's that's horshit. That's not That's not a thing." And I'm
just like, "Fucking Cox." That's great. He by the way, shout out to McDonald's for hiring him, too. He
seems so not McDonald'sy, but he's kind of brought like he's Scottish. He's probably a part of a
clan called the McDonald's. That's true. That's true. That's a good point. He was in Braveheart. Yeah.
Yeah. Was he? Yeah. It's funny. You don't see him as Scottish or like cuz he his voice is
just his. Yes. Like it doesn't have like a thick accent to it or anything. It's not like Groundseper Willie.
No. Oh, I love the other part. We're talking about all the characters in the show and he goes, "It's just a joyful show. It's fun as hell." And this Sam
character is just so pathetic. And I go, "That one, those are actual real stories. Most of those are that's
actually my life." Uh I would never want a son like this. No, he's Oh, dude. He's in Troy's
Agamemnon. He's in so much [ __ ] Yeah. Manhunter, Hannibal Lectar. He's the original Hannibal Lectar.
That I mean to me it's like I would I would rather be that than a movie star where there's no there's no pressure on
you when you know box office comes. You just get to be good and [ __ ] Go
home early. You don't he didn't have to promote stuff for years. It's kind of like Gary Oldman. He's just
quietly killing it. No one ever thinks of him in like the Brad Pitt or Tom Cruz world. But if you ask me who the best
actor of our generation is, I might say Gary Oldman because he becomes the
characters. You don't even know you're watching Gary Oldman sometimes. That's true. He's Commissioner Gordon,
but he's also a Rasta guy in True Romance. He was actually that character was on White Boys in the Hood if you are now.
He was He's hilarious. And so is Fifth Element character for some reason. You know, he did lean into that a little.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but Chris Tucker with the, you know, rolling uh paint roller on his head was
was hosting that episode, so it's okay. He would kill on Drag Race. Kind of an underrated movie, actually.
Fifth, oh, I love Fifth. That's a fun one, dude. And Mia Jovovich. Did you Did you ever see Valyan? That
That was that guy's attempt to make another one like that. Luke Bassan. Never heard of it. It's I I love an expensive bad movie
that's unique. Like it this movie like Rihanna plays an amorphous
shape-shifting jellyfish. Pull it up. They offered it to Marlon Brando. And yeah, it's funny when you see the
poster is that holy [ __ ] Yeah. Looks like Avatar. The opening of the movie is one of the
most beautiful openings I've ever seen in a movie. The first six minutes are like phenomenal. But you but here's why
the movie doesn't work. the poster like look at the the two leads uh Dane Dhan
and and K Deinier or whatever they're supposed to be like hardboile film
noirish cops in their 30s and it does not work because the thing is a lot of times like especially
European directors they're so just obsessed with the visuals that they don't think about the acting
yes wow I never even heard of it this looks crazy
look up the Rotten Tomatoes there. Syracuse. I like those. Look at those wacky. This came out like at Jupiter Ascending
also was the Wow. I remember the name. Oh yeah. And they both transitioned, right?
Yes. Both dudes both became women. No. You watch that movie. You go women directors. Huh.
No man would ever make this film. So the Rotten Tomatoes in this is 47 and
the audience is 53. It's not horrible though. I mean Yeah. But you know what though? That's a better 47 than a lot of 47s because like
I said like he he funded some of it himself like Megalopouloolis he got all
these investors and everything like he did make the exact movie he wanted to make and I would rather watch that than
you know and I am like you know comic book fan and everything but you know the Marvel made by committee movies like
this movie has stuff in it you wouldn't see anywhere else right because only he could come up with it. I prefer that as well.
Yeah. I'm gonna check this out. It's It look like Yeah. So, the one on
the left is the Rihanna jellyfish. The blue. Yeah. That's That's Rihanna. What? What a waste of Rihanna.
No, she she becomes Rihanna. Okay. Yeah. Also, but that's that's her. This is her after getting beat up by
Chris Brown. Black and blue.
SSN MM. She need an umbrella. It is such a like
artsy director thing to be like, we're going to cast one of the world's hottest women and we're going to make it look nothing like her. It's such a French we
take and now she's a jellyfish.
I'd pee on her. No, that happened after Chris Brown read the script. What?
You're leaving me for what? You're going to need a Valium.
Valyan. What is a Valyrian? It is. Is that a madeup word? I think he's Valyan, I'm pretty sure.
And yeah, but it's like that dude, right? It's just it looks like what a European thinks an American would look
like. Yes. Yes. Totally. That guy was in everything for a few. He was in Chronicle. He was in the the
second uh Spider-Man. Um Amazing Spider-Man 2. Yeah. Isn't that where these guys were in
everything? What was that guy from X Machina? He's also in the Revenant. He's also in Oh, Damal Gleason.
Yeah. Yes. He's Brendan Gleon's son who was like we literally wrote the role for Brian Cox but we're like we had to
like prepare oursel for him saying no so we were like Brendon Gleason's name came up really I love him and he's like
oh yeah he's amazing I'm sure those guys take each other's roles all the time
yeah true although I think I think uh Brennan Gleason's a little bit younger he did he
did SNL like a few years ago he was funny yeah he was I I liked like having,
you know, a character director on that show. Dude, have you seen the movie The Guard? Huge wreck with It's Brendan Gleon and
Don Cheetel. It's [ __ ] great. Great. Great comedy. Banshees of Inner Shin was
and he's so good in it. Yeah. I like movies that are like it's just straight up a play basically. It's
incredible. Martin McDonald, right? He's a playright. Yeah. Yeah. The dialogue was good. The characters were great.
That's a great comedy right there. I've never heard of this. It's [ __ ] awesome. Okay.
Highly underrated. Nice. It's I think it's by Mcdana's brother. Ah, yeah.
Jeez. Yeah. The Irish funny people. Good. Good at dark comedy. Irish and black is that they're a
funnier combo. Maybe Jew. Well, black and Chinese for three movies. Oh, yes.
They got three movies out of that. You understand the words that are coming out of my mouth? Oh, did you pull up that Scotty Pippen
thing I sent you? What is that? Let me see it. I I sent this a few weeks ago when you just had it. By the way, Rush
Hour has a disclaimer on it now. A lot of these jokes are outdated. Really? Yeah. That's what this
It says like the buddy comedies of the 90s were a different time. Really? Funnier.
Yeah. If that allows people to to air it, that's fine. Disney Plus, like Aladdin,
it's, you know, just look at the year it was made and you just I know we got to say smoking now, too, which is when it'll be like
nudity, rape, smoking. Yeah. But don't worry, smoking was blurred out.
We kept all the rape in, but the smoking, you don't see it anymore. There's a rape scene afterwards. The guy takes out a cigarette, the mom covers
your eyes. Yeah, exactly. It's too much. There's a movie uh they do movies in the park by my house in Brooklyn now, and it
was Pride Month, so all the movies were gay themed. And one of them was Call Me By Your Name, which has that crazy jizz in the Peach
moment, as we all know. But I thought I don't know if they would show a straight
jizz in a peach in the park. It seems a little naughtier. You mean if the peach was straight? Yes.
It just feels like they wouldn't show like two two guy and a girl [ __ ] It's too crazy. But gay gives it a
little artsiness to it. Man, I love that you're rehearsing for your next Rogan appearance.
Am I wrong? No, I think uh you can't show straight fruit. Well, I'm not saying the fruit. I'm
saying What is a straight fruit? Straight fruit. Bisexual.
Huh? I feel like an apple's a pretty straight fruit. That's true. Apple a day. Yeah.
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So Sam sent me this clip. Yeah. It's just Scotty Pippen just lost his mind. I love this. Just posting this.
Oh man. What does the comment say? The caption.
Lots of craziness in the world. Tell me something good. Palm tree son. I feel bad for the person who had to
film this for him. I know. His friend's like, "Just get me just get me walking on this." I'm I'm partially
saying this as a wrestling fan, but athletes aren't meant to live after 50.
True. No good comes of it. No, no. Just go go into a tower like uh
Michael Jordan. He just invests in things quietly. You can't gamble till 5 a.m. Gamble. That's fine.
He has to die the way his dad did. Yeah. Oh, you think that was It must have been his
fault. That was a hit. [ __ ] That's imagine being Michael Jordan and you [ __ ] got your dad killed.
Yeah, that's crazy. You have everything and you know the conspiracy. I mean, that's what they say, right?
Yeah. Is that right? They're actually making a movie of it and Brian Cox is playing Michael Jordan instead.
Wowki's driving female drivers. Uh, damn. That's crazy. It's kind of
like Will Smith. You see, he wrapped in London. Everybody's trashing it. Oh my god. Came out of nowhere. Have you seen the clips of him rapping?
They're pretty. I saw the Pretty Girls rap. That was it. Yeah. Pull it up. I like Pretty Girls. It is the most like
if a gay person had to write about pretending to be straight.
Yeah. I love [ __ ] I eat it up like tappy.
Loose lipstick ships. Yeah. Yeah. You could wrap this in Paul Lynn's voice.
Yeah. Oh, wait. No, he does a live thing. Okay. No. No. Let's see this for a sec first. It's pretty rough.
Yeah, Chris Rock should come up and slap him. It's literally like everyone's calling him gay and he's like, "We got my next
We got my next You think if he slaps him again, it's like a sitcom. He'll go back to being normal.
He'll go back to Stefan." Oh, look at the sweater and everything. Come on.
You know Jade is going, "This is why I [ __ ] your friend."
O, it is. It is. Poor guy. Yeah, it's pretty gay. Yeah. And just not catchy and no one
cares. Well, then he also he did one where it was like him playing a bunch of different characters and they're all
commenting on Will Smith. It's a rap about, you know, people say this about Will Smith and people say
that and it's but it's like he's trying to do like the the barber shop in um
Coming to America where it's like he's all the different It's
embarrassing. Yeah. Yeah. Uhhuh. Uhhuh. Just nobody's excited about this.
That's so crazy cuz he's one of the most famous people and he's like 55 56.
If he died at 50, he would have been good, too. Yeah, I know. I know. Right before the Chris Rocks slap. It's
like, man, he went out well. A fun Oscar that night, too. It's a fun game to play when they should
have died. You just take a celebrity and you get the the the biggest moment that they
could have died. I like it. Damn. So, Brando. Brando. But he I
this guy 73. Yeah. Right after Godfather. Damn. But before the weird Oscar thing
with the Native American and John Wayne. Get her off the stage. Pilgrim.
Yeah. Oh, a guy's watch. So, this is a good review. This, by the way, this is what it's now watching a guy watching Will
Smith. Not yet. Now we are. Yeah. Messi and Ronaldipse.
[Music] This makes you realize how important Uncle Phil was to his life.
Without that guidance, dude. He had such a run in the 90s, though. Holy [ __ ] His career now is if
he was raised by Ben Vine. How did Jazzy Jeff win?
How did Carlton win? Oh, I love Carlton. You're watching You're watching now and
you're just like, man, I missed the Wild Wild West. Yeah, those were good times. I love when he wrapped the plots of the
films. Yes. Welcome to Miami. Yeah, he did the the Men in Black rap. Yeah. Yeah. Become the MIB.
He's hosting uh the new America's Funniest Home Videos, by the way. That's probably a good gig. Great gig. You show clips, you make
seems like a nice guy, too. I'm sure he's banging some mils. He's having a great time. I used to love how damning the theme
song was where it was like, "America, this is you."
That's true. Look what you've become. Guy gets kicked by a Shetland pony in the nuts. That's America, baby.
It's not unusual to see that. That's his family.
Oh, that's a good looking fam. Yeah, man. Wow. I mean, he was Silver Spoons before he
been forever. He's a good comic actor. I like when they would have like, didn't they have an episode where he got shot?
Oh, yeah. They would take weird turns on that show. They went to the hood. Well, every sitcom had to have the serious crazy
learn something episode. Yeah. And then the serious like I wish I was stronger and then like a hug or
something. Well, they had the one where it was like he gets like um mocked at
the black fraternity. Oh. And he's like, you know, but why? I'm just as black as them. And you know,
and then Phil is like, and will they ever learn, right? Phil is great, dude.
He's the best. Shredder, James. That's right. [ __ ] Yeah. He was the voice of Shredder in
the original Ninja Turtles. Is he still alive? Oh, no. He passed away like years ago.
He's like a phenom. You want to see something amazing? Uh, James Avery,
Regginal Vel Johnson. Whoa. World's colliding. You're damn right. Yeah. James Avery family matters.
It's like Batman vers Superman. Yeah. What What are we doing here? Hey, Mike. Mike, come join us, buddy.
There he is. Big Phil. Mike Beckon, everybody. Mike Beckon. Mike, did did you watch uh Family
Matters or Fresh Prince growing up? Uh, I'm aware of them. I I didn't wasn't It was a little uh
I was doing push-ups to me. It was like not during my heyday.
Oh, Garcel Buffo is in this. She was hot. Thanks for having me on. Oh,
hey. Sorry. Sorry. Even right during It's like we're watching Basic Instinct like shut up.
That's a Did he freak off? That's Diddy.
They didn't tell him that James Avery was coming on the set. Oh, so this is like an outtake, but that they they
aired it. I remember seeing this as a kid. This was the most amazing thing.
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Oh, no. He's like, are they replacing me? What the [ __ ] I know, right?
Just seeing Uncle Phil in a shirt is like weird. Yeah, let it play out.
I love James Avery, dude. He was He was the backbone of that show. Yeah. No, you needed him.
Damn. Best TV dad. Yeah. Yeah. I like Cosby. Yeah. But no, what's what's beautiful
about that clip was that those guys like they came up together in theater and then they're like, "Look, we both made it that we have money jobs." Yeah.
Whoa. And they got the same gig basically. Yeah. Basically, lawyer. I mean, judge, cop. Yeah.
Yeah. By the way, so typ casted. He's a cop on the sitcom. He's a cop in Ghostbusters. He's a cop in Die Hard.
And he's a cop in Turner and Hooch. Yeah. But he's a friend. Friendly cop. That's true. He's friendly. He's like a um liaison to
the community. Yeah. Yeah, you don't in later Family Matters when it was just like the Urkl hij jinks every season they would give
him like one serious acting episode. So there was the one where like these two white cops pulled over Eddie and he's
like you pulled over my son and then like the subplot is like Urkel is Bruce Lee.
They had to throw in a silly B story. Oh no, the be story was the cops.
Those writers knew what they were doing, man. I mean I assume this started from the P. P Ddy. There was a P DD discussion before this
and then it went into the family. I don't even think so. I think I think I think we went He started family matters first.
Will Smith I mean [ __ ] remember the uh what you talking about Willis Gary Coleman episode didn't he get
molested in one episode? No he did. That was the first one. No Dy does his friend they create they gave him a friend just for that episode.
Right. Well he gets it in the bike shop which is where all molestation should
happen. Imagine being that stage parent. They're like, "You're auditioning for a kid who gets fucked." Now, now, now I definitely sound like
Rayman, but played by Gordon Jump, who was also the Bay Tag Man and was on WP
in Cincinnati.
They had to prep you back in the day. They're like, "It's a special episode." It's also funny that it's like the theme
song is it takes different strokes to change the world or whatever. Like, that sounds like rule the world. That sounds
like a defense of pedophilia. Right. Right. Now the world don't move to the beat of
just one drum. Look, he's watching a Diddy magazine, man. He's literally doing the original
Trump. I know. He got acquitted. What? Webster walks in. He's like, "Wait a
second. There could be only one." They both They think they got little swords. Actually, it's Lowlander.
[Laughter] Oh, that was that was great. Helloander.
Damn. Great speech. All right. Yeah. Um Oh, Mike, you got a new special out
on YouTube, everybody. Called Low-Income White. I don't know where the cameras are. Please uh please
watch it. White on YouTube. Thank you guys both for uh sharing. I appreciate it. Nate Land Produce.
Nateland Produce. Yeah, these two these two have been on the road together, I think. Yeah. Pete Davidson gigs. Yeah. opening
for Pete. Yeah, Pete's the best, man. How was that? Awesome. Great crowds. I bet.
Yeah. It's amazing watching Mike have to learn how to promote.
Cuz even on stage, she's like, "If you if you liked what you just saw, please go to my website." You don't have to,
but if you would like to. No, I have to do it after every uh every
set now because it's just It works, man. I mean, yeah, you have to. 20,000 people or whatever.
Right. Right. But it's like a hostage video. You're like, "Ah, God, please." Yeah. I try to make it funny, but I
after everyone, it's like, I have to do it, you know? Got to do it. By the way, give the man a little room here. I like it.
Those those pee shows are amazing because you are someone's first stand-up
comedian. Yeah. Yeah. There are people there who have never been to a comedy show. And I'm sure the 22-year-old girls love
seeing you. But it's weird. They do look like the fathers that abandoned them. Yeah.
Uh but Nate shows too. It's like half the people are just there. Uh they've never been to a comedy show. They're
just they love Nate. Yeah. Crazy. So damn. Uh what's what's the when you go out with
Pete? Do you you guys do like a dinner afterwards or or is it just kind of like you're out after? I have to go to the straight to the next
place. Yeah. We drive that night. Yeah. Wow. Go and then drive that night. Yeah.
Bus, I take it. Uh, no. Sprinter? No, just uh regular cars. Maybe maybe an
SUV. Yeah, but uh just cars. Yeah, we were one time, I don't know if you were on that one, but we were chased for
like 45 minutes by the ladies. Uh by like this one fan on the road.
Whoa. Yeah. No, I did come out of like when we were in Philly, I came out of the car
and it was just like I mean it's just a window into what he has to deal with where it's like you get out because
everybody's like, "Oh, you have to deal." It's like, "No, no, no, no. You get out of the car and it's like flashes going off. It's like
disorientating and people around us getting rushed into the Wow. Us him being rushed into the um
building, man. It's like it's like you're ambushed. You know what I mean? Now, the big thing is the eBay guys. So
you because he he was in the Transformers movie and stuff. So they have the Funko Pops and
Yeah. How do they know? How do those guys get hip to that? They'll be at the airport at 6:00 a.m. The early flight.
I was I was at Largo in LA with Sarah Silverman just in the parking lot. There
was like three guys with her Wreckit Ralph toys. Damn. Yeah. The day before Thanksgiving
when Mike's calling a guy pathetic. Yeah. You ain't nerd. You're nothing.
Well, that's a spectrum. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. I do have a wife and child, which a lot
of those guys do not. Yeah, that's true. Right. Damn. That's crazy. Wreckit Ralph.
Yeah. If you're in something like that, then you know that's like they could sell it and Yeah. Yeah.
Is there a market for that though? Like how much are they really getting for And I've signed [ __ ] I'm like, who's buying my [ __ ]
Same. I tell them that when they when they when I'm like, "No one wants this." No one wants me. Get Jim Carrey or
Murphy. Well, the thing too is the more that gets signed, the more the value goes down.
Ah, good point. Okay, you really going to do 65 bucks, you know, that shipping in. Is that
worth it? Damn. Back in the day, if you were a retired athlete, autographs was like that's how
you kept making money. Sure. Sure. Yeah. But it was a big deal. Like Joe Deaggio would just make a ton of money signing.
You could quit and just be a greeter at a casino. That's that's remember that head shot.
Oh, that's an oldie. Yeah, that's a good one. $62. I know. 42.
Oh, 42. All right. My side. And you did a star, David. Always. So, we know it's real.
Good boy. Now, is there a discount for the holidays? For the high ones. Does Pete Does Pete is obsessed with uh
Tony Soprano, right? Yes. I saw a thing of him buying like a Tony Soprano watch on
you. So, we I I'm staying at his place right now. We drove in uh my wife's in
uh Paulie Walnuts's car signed by Tony Cro.
You and Paulie Wallet's car. You should have got the car of the one where uh the fat gay guy blew him in the
construction site. Was that veto? Veto. I'm sure he's and the cowboy hat. Yeah,
that you know like I I I ended up watching it for the first time like a few years ago and that was one of the
saddest stories. And what was what was amazing about it though which I liked like in terms of writing they never made
Veto likable. He was still an [ __ ] but you just he was a bully. Yeah. Yeah. But you kind of felt bad for him.
Yeah. Cuz he didn't deserve to get [ __ ] sodomized to death. I mean I mean that's such a That's based off a true story. Is that
right? The Decalante family in New Jersey, one of the bosses was there was a rumor that
he was gay and that rumor got him killed. So, it's based on the truth. Mike looks like he would know fun facts
about Yeah. No, that's crazy, right? Yeah. Yeah.
He'll nail the Gary Coleman guy between the two of us. Yeah. He'll do the mob stuff.
Damn, that is uh Yeah, that was tragic. I saw a post recently. I forgot who did it. Someone tweeted this, but it was
like, you know, if they made The Sopranos today, they'd make him go to a psychiatrist and his daughter would date a black guy and there'd be a gay
subplot. Oh my god. Brilliant. They just snuck it in. It was that good. You don't even pay attention.
Yeah. So good. I This is my my Dumb Sopranos hot take though, which is that
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I think they should have just recast the mom. The story was about him and the mom. No,
no. uh when his when his mom passed away. Lydia, she was so good though. She was so good.
No, but she died. But I'm saying when she died, they shouldn't have written the character out of the show. They
should have gotten someone else. She should have onvived her because the story was him and the mom the whole time, right?
And then and then should have cast her as a black mom. They should have gotten actual on Viv. Remember there was like that there's
like that Simpsons with like, you know, we already have three grandpas that are jazz musicians. Like every season
there's like a new cousin that's out of prison and it's like they they had these like like forced antagonist and the mom was a
natural antagonist. Speaking of which, how you doing with Marge dying? Oh, that was just uh you know I it's
fine. I don't I don't watch it anymore. Oh damn. How am I doing with the show dying?
Good boy. But that's a pretty big deal. Killing March. Yeah, but that was a fantasy sequence. She's not actually
dead. I thought the lady was like, I want out Nancy Car ride or whatever. I thought she went to wherever Pooh
went. I thought she was really dead. That is the best gig. Harry Sheerer like
records in like his New Orleans mansion. Wow. And just sends this you at the I went to
a table read and got to see castonetta live. Wow.
Him doing Homer live is like it's insane. And then he goes into Quimby and Grounds Keeper Willie. He there was a
part of it where it was him and grandpa and he's just wow going back and forth with
they used to go on Conan and do that a little bit. It was I think it was Harry Sheer and Dan Castella. You would never see Kavner do it like on
Inside the Actor's Studio. They would show everybody else but her. There's also an LA Law episode where Dan
Castelonetta plays a guy who is obsessed with being Homer Simpson. Pull it up.
Yeah. Go net worth. You had net worth there. I want to see These guys are Oh, it's got to be stupid.
No, I'm just kidding. I don't know, man. You know what? You what's amazing though is like a lot of those guys were just on
the Tracy Man show. That's right. And they're like, "Hey, you want to just do this voice also, and it's like
forever money." Yes. I know the show is shitty now, but it
would be nice if it just never went away. I like that it's still going. I don't know. I disagree. It's kind of
under It's like a safety blanket. Oh, what the hell? an organization that takes like a
serious show and dims their boats.
Wow, that's too weird. That is really But then he takes he I think he takes the mask off and it's you know
and then they get on with the episode. I wish there was more voiceover stuff is so is so fun. I wish there was more. I
did I did like a few episodes on 10-year-old Tom and it was so [ __ ] fun. It's so annoying because people with
both of us are like you should do voiceover. I'm like, I would love to. It's so coveted. Nobody wants to give up their job.
It's funny the way that that that Homer is like, you know, drawn like you could tell that is exactly like 1992.
That's like season three. They're still figuring it out. Yep. Yep. That back when you could figure out a
show. Yeah. Now you better come out of the gates swinging. You even if you do Netflix will just like buy and then cancel a
show like nothing. What do they give you? Four episodes to prove yourself. I don't know. something like that.
I don't know. But my thing is start firing the guys who said no to a project and then they pick it up like like Family Guy.
Somebody cancelled Family Guy. They made a decision in a boardroom and they cancelled the show and then it got picked up again on a different channel.
Whatever. And now it's the biggest cartoon of all time. That guy should be fired for cancel. Right. Right. Everyone said no to Squid
Game. Really? For years. There you go. For years. I think it took 15 years for
that to get on the air. Wow. We're complaining about 18 months. We got to shut the [ __ ] up.
That's everyone. That's just you. That's just me. I'm used to He'll just be You need one whiny person in the group.
You do. You do. He'll just He'll just text it be like, "When are we going to know?" Yeah. I'm like, "We're not." It's
I'm used to sending that with pregnancy texts. So, I just have to There's only some days you could tell
your writing partner, "We don't matter."
I'm Sam writes back, "But we're straight white. Don't they respect that?
I don't understand. Well, that one night in college, but besides that, yes,
it sucks. I think we're just used to comed comedy. We need to do stand up, right? It either works or it doesn't.
Yep. We're used to knowing. Yeah. December 2023 was when we first talked about Yeah. the idea.
Wow. Yeah. Crazy. But it evolves. You know, it gets better. It could have been made and cancelled by now.
Right. Right. There's this great book called Pictures of a Revolution by Mark Harris and it's like all about the movies that changed Hollywood in the
late60s. So it's like the best picture movie. So it's like Bonnie and Clyde, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner which was
like kind of the you know the fake progressive movie and then they in the heat of the night which was kind of like
the more badass one. Then it was Dr. Dittle which was a huge bomb and then the last one was The Graduate. So it's
like how it changed Hollywood. You know, Bonnie and Clyde was crazy, cutting edge, brand new, and it took like I
don't know, like five years to get made. Really? Yeah. You think you got Warren Batty, and you know, it went through all these people.
They originally was like True Foe was attached to direct it. Wow. Warren Batty isn't fully Warren Batty
until Monte and Clyde come out. True. He's badass. But it's always somebody has to take a risk. That's really what it comes down
to. Somebody's going to have balls and take a risk. And the the biggest problem now is they just spend too much money on
everything. And then they look at everything as being too costly and it's like just
lower the budgets. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Just charge more for paper towels and
you can make this show Amazon. Come on. Well, that too. No, but it's like every everything that
cost over $100 million all looks the same. Yeah. Yeah, you know, but when you like
the first Deadpool was only 50 million cuz Fox didn't believe in it.
And it looks different than other comic movies. The love story is more grounded
and believable because they they had to make it character- based because they couldn't afford to just do a bunch of
action. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost cool to see when you know if you look at like an old Scorsese
movie where he had to work within a budget as opposed to now he just do anything. When you watch like Mean Streets or Taxi Drive, you're like,
"Holy [ __ ] he had to work within his used to end." Yeah. Yeah. They had run times. Like that's the
thing too. I don't you know Yeah. You're like the greatest director. Sometimes there's too much leash.
Haven't you worked with the same editor? Like talk to a film maker. Let her She did. Yeah. That's why the movies are still
going. Oh, so she got cut. She died. Yeah. She's on the cutter of floor.
No, he needs somebody, right? It's like I I I remember when u we were on tour
and uh Killers of the Flower Moon came out in the theater and everybody everybody went to go see
it except me because I brought my PS5 cuz Spider-Man 2 had just come out
and my son wasn't even like one yet and so it's like this is my only time. It's
like you know [ __ ] Burgess Meredith with the books in the vault. Yeah. And I
was like I'm going to actually stay in. And I remember even my wife being like, "How you got to go to the movies if they're going to the movies?" You know,
like those would look at you as not like, you know, playing along and everything. I'm like, they know that
told you not to go. Yeah. But then and then I remember like everybody went but me and they all hated
it. They I think they walked out and you saved three and a half hours. Yeah. You could beat the whole game. Right. This this episode is incredible also
because but people often forget about it is that his wife hates books and she crosses out
every word in the book meticulously. Your wife is what is she a Florida teacher?
But I wanted to read about these and them. There was time now.
That was a great episode. It is funny when you go to a Barnes & Noble though now and there's like it'll be like a table and it's like outlawed
books. I'm like, "Well, they're not really outlawed. I'm I'm looking right at them. They're right here."
Yeah. Raised the price on them. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're trending now. Yeah.
Mouse is like $60 now. Barnes & Noble should transition into a coffee shop.
Yeah. That has books. I know. That's all. In a public restroom. Yeah. In a public restroom. Public restroom is really the selling
point. Yeah. Yeah. Libraries now. It's just hobo heaven. Yeah. Air conditioning, there's internet,
right? Bathroom. Dude, when I when I when I moved to New York in 2007, I didn't have
Wi-Fi for like the first few months and just waiting in a library, you know,
with the the come filled keyboard and just you knew like who was in the queue
in front of you and like true. I got to go on Craigslist to look up jobs.
Sitcoms, Childhood TV, and Nostalgia
God, it sounds so antiquity. You used to have a [ __ ] tape deck. Remember that? With the batteries that would fall out.
Yeah. Remember I I'd bring uh three liter sodas. Yes. Yes. Before the band.
You still Do you still have sodas a lot? I mean, you have one right now. Yeah. How often? I'm obsessed. Uh, a couple today.
Damn. Wow. The ban was hilarious, though. I love the ban because people lost it. They were like, "You can't.
It's a constitutional right." It's like, we're not we're not saying that you can't get as much. You can go back and
get refills on a 32 ounce, but you just can't have a 64 ounce. It's like it's unamerican.
Americans just don't want to be told they can't do anything. True. Oh yeah. It's like the when they drinking and driving used to be legal and then they
made it a law and there's a video of like a local news guy. He's like, "This is crazy. I can't drink and drive. What
kind of country am I living in? What's next? They're going to take away coffee." I never thought smoking indoors uh the
smoking ban indoors was going to take. I was like, "There's no way this takes." Thank god that took Thank God.
Yeah. It was turned out to be a great idea. I know. I was wrong. I've only been here two days and the
amount of people that smoke outside I Nobody smokes in LA. Really? No. So, it's like just walking around
Yeah. vaping and all that, but walking around like smelling cigarette smoke. It's like ah it's [ __ ]
I know. Especially in the heat. I just love that like scientist had to prove it was bad.
No, just cigarettes. No, it's the same thing with the phone now where it's like we all know it's bad, but there's no like I guess there's
I guess maybe there is hard scientific but it's not like it was kind of like smoking where it's like when my mother smoked I was like where
did you think the smoke went? Yeah. when you inhaled it like well we knew but there was no hard right there's no evidence out there
they have a Will Smith movie where he's brave enough to be like yeah when people get hit in the head in football it's not
good tell the truth can he rap in that accent
that guy was wronged that's a crazy story Oh yeah that's right doctors would smoke pull up the the if you can find the
local news of uh the guys bitching about drinking and driving it's so it's in Texas is a woman just furious
like how the hell do people not know vap Dude, and in the 50s like you're charging it in a USB port and then
smoking it. You think that's not bad for you? And it's crazy flavors. It's all bad. It feels like you're downloading cancer.
It's like 23% 27%. Rod Serling would smoke. He died of lung cancer, but he would smoke all the time
in Twilight Zones. Oh yeah. Groucho on You bet your life. Like five minute cigarette ads.
100%. Yeah. I think cigarettes are disgusting. Unless I'm drunk, in which case I'm like, "Fuck, I crave one." When I'm
hammered, get the Zen. Everybody switch Zen. I was smoking a vape the other night cuz I was with a lady who was vaping. I was
like, "Just give it to me." And I'm like, "This is disgusting." But when you're drunk, when you're drunk, it hits. I get it. I get it. I like a cigar every
now and then, too. I love it. I got the little ones so you don't have to dedicate all that time to it. Yeah. Yeah. It's very timeconuming. Uh
oh. This is my addiction. I have hundreds if not like at least a
thousand feet away from the building. Yeah, it's an adult collectible.
This is Kingo from the movie Eternals. I actually got this figure cuz Yeah, I'm
buddies with Kumale and I just put the head on like other characters. So I have like Spider Kumale and Yeah.
Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that would be fun if you kept that in your pocket and at the end of the day you're like
after sex you're like give me Kingo. Wait, I'm the kingo of my castle. What is
this? It's kind of getting communist when a fell can't put in a hard day's work, put in 11, 12 hours a day and then
get in your truck and at least drink one or two beers. He's the white version of that black comic we watched.
This is a Californian, too. This ain't even like a Alabama. Keep going. I want to see what else we got. Laws where you can't drink when you want
to. You can't you have to wear a seat belt when you're driving. That one's reasonable.
Pretty soon we're going to be communist country. Communist country. I mean, look at this. It's all still alive and the baby isn't.
I I don't get what's the objection with the seat belt? Well, it's the forcing that's the fact that it's a law now
and it traps you. If you happen to drive into water, you can't get you can't get out. And also also the thing is I I know you
just became a dad, but parenting especially, if you tell anyone how
to raise their kid, that you have to put a seat belt, all that kind of stuff.
It's just it it gets so personal. Oh yeah. It's Yeah. I mean going to the
playground is like exhausting because you don't turned on,
you know, like we're working together. You know, if I get arrested for pedophilia, like that's not good for the
show. No. Or the kids. That's bad for everyone. That might get it launched.
That's true. A scandal could help. Yeah. No, but like you know, you don't
because you don't know how other people are raising their kids and stuff and if their kid does something with your kid and you know, even if like like like
something like sharing like no, he can have some if he wants and then they'll be like we're teaching him not to
it gets so dicey and it becomes a Rico conspiracy then. Yeah. Where everybody gets
anything though. Has anyone like have you done anything away and you're like oh maybe we should do it that way?
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I definitely, you know, watching other people hit their kids reminds me why I'll never hit my
Yeah, that was that was traumatizing. Like he like Logan was like one and three months
and he was playing with this boy at like a train station and the mom just smacked
him right in front of your kid. No, no. Okay. The kid the kid in front of Logan. Logan saw it.
Oh, yeah. That's heavy. Did he cry? I like that when that happened to my kid
cuz it showed my kid like look your life could be this shitty. It was like I don't hit my kid obviously
but I was like I he and he acts out a lot because of it. That's why I leave a Tina Turner photo at the house.
The wife has a jellyfish. This will be you.
He shows this kid the R. Kelly documentary. It could be really bad for you, dude. You're lucky. Yeah. You want to be trapped in the closet
again? Volume 23. The Nickelodeon doc again. Do you want to get slimed?
Quiet on set. That was a dark dock, dude. I watched
it, too. I could watch that. That poor kid, man. Jesus Christ. You guys should do a documentary about
something. Not trying to write a show, just something that's already out there. And uh the dark side of it.
Child abuse. Yeah. The dark side of child abuse. Yes. Because everybody knows about the upside.
Damn, she looks rough. Poor man. Poor poor man of bines. Yeah. Something went bad. Look how cute she used to be. That's my
type that age. What? The one on the left.
She looks like the [ __ ] Blueberry. The Rihanna roll. Jesus Christ. She looks like she's about to say something sassy to Drew Carey.
What a bullboard. We're doing a lot of 90s sitcoms on this. Jesus Christ.
Cleveland Rocks. Damn, that show was great, man. That was a really innovative show. Blue collar Seinfeld.
Oh, that's what it was. It was Seinfeld for pores. I like that. I like that show. Yeah. Drew Car's kind
of underappreciated. Ryan Styles just killer. Literally poor man's Kramer. Dedric Bader was great.
Yeah. He's the George. Yeah. Yeah. And they had the girl who was too attractive. And then that's Newman. Mimi Newman.
Yeah. It's actually the actor who played Newman. That's Wayne Knight. That's Wayne Knight night during the day. That's Wayne.
Damn, dude. And then they would do remember they would do like do like impro improvised
Comedy Club Memories & Touring Stories
like episodes and stuff. They were doing musical episodes. It was fun. It's cool when shows took swings like
that back in the day. Even if it missed, you're like, "All right, you tried." And now did the live one. Remember that?
Yeah. That was Well, that was the improv one. Yeah. And they would do it in they did one in the east coast and the west coast and yeah
cool 30 Rock is such a good show. It's so good from I mean it's ridiculous and
it's like why wasn't this commercially I mean it was Yeah. It was too smart. It's like people are tired from work and
they sit down. It's like they just don't want to think. I think that's what it is. I mean the sex symbol that Scott Adset
could have been if we just let him into our hearts. I feel but it went like what seven seasons. It was a huge hit. It was a It
was a crit what is it? Critically acclaimed. Whereas like uh what's the Charlie Sheen show? That was like a huge hit. Two and
a half. Two and a half men. So that was a huge hit. How many seasons was it? The 30 Rock was like a critically acclaimed.
It was critically acclaimed. Okay. Do you Mark will remember this guy. I don't know if you guys will, but
it's one of my favorite sad showbiz stories. Do you do you guys you guys remember Gowi?
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After four beers, but no, Gowi was this open micer at the pit. This old guy with glasses
and he sounded like Elmer Fud. He's like, I'm Gi. I remember that guy. Okay.
You remember him? Yes. All right. So, I remember he told me this. He told me this story where
you'll never find him. He was He was like covert ops. Yeah. Yeah. And I and I do believe he passed, but he was on 30 Rock as an
extra for years and years. And he told me this story. He was like, "And Tina
said that I was going to get a line in the finale." Oh, yes. And and and and then I watched it in my
shelter. He was in a homeless shelter like watching the episode of 30 Rock and
saw that his line was cut. Damn. Wow. the cast of characters that we saw.
Remember Charlie Abson? He's got to be dead. Bob, Angry Bob, Bob Bell.
Yeah. I mean, they they missed the kill Tony boat right in there with their [ __ ] pen of
psycho. Selling out a funny bone. But you know what? Here's the thing. A lot of those guys would still bomb on
Kill Tony because they'd be like, I can't just do one minute. That's true. That's true. Damn. Yeah. There's
Because they gave you more time at the Village Lantern. It wasn't just one minute. You could
really explore your soul at five. Is Is Colin Kane with a drink ticket? Yeah, it's true.
Is Colin Kane still around of Donkey Punch fame? I don't know. I don't remember. Yeah, he's got to be I
don't know where he That was my favorite thing about the Village Lantern is there just be a big sign Colin Kane's Donkey Punch.
There was a show that was I know he was like it was maybe 10 years ago, but he was like he sold out Gotham.
I remember he was selling out. He would crush. Yeah. Oh, I did an MTV showcase with him and me and Ducker, Mike Ducker bombed
and he killed and we just were like the police won. [Laughter]
He was like the like it didn't add up. It was like the hot guy who just hated women. Yeah,
that character's always start. He didn't start that way. No, no, no. It evolved into that. I think he was like running
shows in the Village Lantern. He was like doing jokes, doing real and then he got managed by Louisis Faranda at Caroline. So, he's getting a bunch of
spots there. That's where I saw and then um but then it turned into um it turned into that.
I heard a story. I heard a story that he turned away Judah Freedellander at like Carolines or
something because he was like, "Yeah, this guy's like, "Yeah, he thought he was a homeless guy and you know, guy shows up in a
championship of the world with the glasses and the hat and you know, Colin Kane's not watching 30 Rock."
Right. Right. He was a hunk. I saw him open for Nor McDonald. I paid the money and saw Nor
McDonald, my hero, and then Colin Kane opened and I was like, "Oh, this is weird." Open mic fight.
Zack and Colin Kane sentence Schumer. Uh,
what year? Wow. I mean, this year literally sounds like 2009.
Eight or nine. 08. Right now, close. Very nice. At comics. That was a different time.
They still owe me money. Really piece of [ __ ] club. Damn.
The the the one in Foxwoods. No, no, no. They weirdly they made good uh No, the one in the meat packing in
New York City, 14th Street. That was like our room. We'd go to Ochi's every week. The place that was closed down by White
Rap. Remember Tom McCaffrey? Oh. Started doing rap there. And the last
show that they did was like one of his shows. And it's like for a club to have their final show be a former comedian
turned rapper. Dang. Some say the world will end in fire. Some say an ice.
I say, but that's how it always is when a comedy club opens. It's like they just roll out the red carpet. We want to
treat our comics, right? Like, you know, dinner menu. We want to eat free meal, whatever. But by the end,
it's like, okay, you get choice of these five snacks. Yeah. And then we'll pay you two weeks. Yeah.
First day you're like, pumpkin ravioli. Holy [ __ ] The hell's going on here? CBS was the same way. You're like, whoa.
Yawn. How about this? Yeah, but you know they're laundering something or they're going to [ __ ] you. I remember showing up and he's like, I
can't pay you, but he's like, I got these bottles of wine. I'm like, I don't drink.
It's like, and you stole them. You very clearly stole them. The most criminal show. I can't pay you, but do you like
cigars? Yeah, I'll blow you. I love that it's a fencing operation now with a comedy element.
Don't go near the Cuban embassy with these. I remember Norman and I went to comics like it must have been 2010 and we
watched it was Greg Geraldo's last time headlining through and dude we were like every other joke we were like
high-fiving him we were kids we're like this is incredible you know uh incredible I saw Patrice there I saw Geraldo there
Roast Battles and Writing Tough Jokes
I saw Maron do a what the [ __ ] with uh Atella was on I think Geraldo was on it
was incredible uh who else did I see there I saw some I saw Aziz coming I saw Melany there the first time
saw saw We do shameless there. Remember we meet you in Solomon. Where is this? I was there. Maybe you
weren't there. That was a great hour. Great hour. Where is this place? Comics. I lost comics. I lost an ECNY
to to it was uh me uh Dad St. Germaine Kate McKinnon. What's an EC? What's an Emerging Comics
of New York awards? In 2009, and I was uh nominated for Emerging Comic.
Don't worry, you guys won in the end. But um and uh yeah, it was, you know, it was
like it was like alt comedy awards basically. Yeah. But yeah, it was Kate McKinnon before
SNL and she was nominated and yeah, Mike Kaplan won. We were always in the basement doing the Ochi's Lounge was like the B- Room. We
were always doing the open mic, but to go upstairs was Oh, it was a real treat. It was remember the first time I got booked
upstairs. Yeah, me too. That's when I [ __ ] up D. Roa's in intro and he yelled at me for like a half hour.
Hilarious. I don't know what I was thinking. It was like 2010 and uh it was the height of fear factor or something
and I was in the green room. I was hosting. I was so nervous and I go, "Hey everybody, next up, give it up for Joe
Rogan and the crowd was like, whoa shit." Hey, a TV guy. And it was Joe De Roa, but the Joe's and the O's and the
R. I [ __ ] it up. And he walked out and this disgusting smooshy, you know, pasty Egyptian walks
out and they're like, "Ah." So he claims to ruin his whole set. and
eventually his career. And he's Have you held it against him ever since?
What do you mean? It was my fault. Oh, okay. I [ __ ] up him screaming at you. Oh, no. I [ __ ] up. It was all I He was
half joking, but he was pissed. Okay. Damn. What could you do, dude? I I I remember um we judged a
roast battle um in Austin and this guy came up to him after and was like,
"You know, you were, you know, you could have been a little nicer." And Joe's like, "I was being nice. You were
terrible." Wow. It was Joe. I love Joe. I remember the one time we were at the stand and a guy
came up and did the whole, you know, heckling, but I was just helping out and she was like, "No, you weren't."
Yeah. Yeah, we're not helping out. Like just to have that I never have that confidence.
I love I love a guy who's this close to the edge at all times all the time. He's this close to breaking and his
posture also suggests he wakes up at like Michael Douglas and falling down.
Well, the best St. Germaine roast joke. He goes, "Dosa, you look like you are constantly hearing about Sandy Hook."
Like, dude, did you do St. Germaine? I
remember St. Germaine had a roast and Comedy Central came and they were like, "This is the meanest thing."
Oh, we went that we've ever seen. We went for the jugular and everyone. It was brutal. Yeah, that was fun.
Roasting got kind of crazy. It's on YouTube somewhere, I think. Yeah, it got to a point where I remember
Tel once saw one of them. He was like, "Jesus Christ, keep it surface." Like like you're like digging into people's
like family tree because it's your career and it's like if you It's like this is my big break.
So, let me bring up this guy's dead dad. That's what it was. Call him gay. Dead relives. Yeah. Like I never talked to to Ralphie
after Rose Battle. Oh, yeah. Killed him. We thought it' be the cholesterol, but
it was you. It was me and Jerry. All right.
He had accompllices. I was watching that roast live, you versus Ralphie May, and I was like, he's
gonna [ __ ] kill him on stage. I watched him yell at Jeff Ross like, "You [ __ ] you know, backstab me.
you're supposed to be my friend. And Jeff's like, "You didn't have any jokes. What do you want? Can I can I tell you what happened before?" It was crazy. So, like, you
know, I said like, "Hey, is there anything off limits?" And he goes, "I'm an open book. Say whatever the [ __ ] you want."
And of course, he didn't realize like, you know, I Googled his divorce. Ah
and but but I remember when we were filming um that day when we were doing rehearsals, a guy is like on his knee
filming up and he's like, "You're giving me the [ __ ] Godzilla shot. You're trying to make me look fatter."
Wow. And he's like getting mad at the camera. That's why you look fat. Yeah.
And I just I just remember I'm like knowing what I was going to say and I'm
like if this is pissing you off. Do you remember any of the jokes? Oh, I remember all of them. Well, give me one.
Do the ring joke. Oh. Uh the roughest part of Ralphy's divorce was getting the ring off his finger.
[Laughter] Jesus. Th this one I mean this is the one that like this is my opener because
his whole his whole narrative was every other comic is just going to say I'm fat and and their hacks for doing it right.
So I said you know um Ralphiey's going through a divorce. It says a lot about your shitty personality that your wife
would rather take half your money now and she could wait three months for all of it.
[ __ ] that's when he like he immediately is like wait what what did I get into?
Yes. cuz he brought the little Fbreze bottle like you smell bad or whatever. His thing was just that I stink and he
called me Pepe Le Pew and and then my closer which is one of the best jokes I'll ever write
was um you know um I know it's hack you know for me to call
you fat and then and then and then he leans into it not realizing he goes it is I was like but your family's gone
everyone deserted you and that fan beat you on last comic standing the reason I
make fun of your weight is because it's the only thing you haven't lost Oh, that's poetic. Now,
now here's ironically, that joke has no fat on it. Here's here's the thing.
The way that his face shifted when I said the that fan thing was just that
was lipo suction. But that was that was where he legit got
really pissed where it was like, come on, man. because it was in Montreal in front of all these execs and and you
know there's those guys who they can't let something like that go like he surpassed that fan in every [ __ ] way.
Oh yeah, he was a great but he lost to him on a TV show and I knew it would still bother him.
Of course. Of course. Wow. Wow. Yeah. But we never talked again. I ran into his ex like two weeks later which
made me feel really bad about it cuz she was like, "You got him. You got him. Good job." I'm like, "I didn't do it for
you." Yeah. Damn. Oh jeez. Well, the real loser is the stool.
Wow. You had to get a stool and then another stool. Wow, dude. And I remember even O Zic would have been I can't do
anything for this. One of one of his reps came up to me like a few months after he's like, "You
went too far." And I'm like, "You're the one who keeps booking him. You went too."
He's like, you know, it's like it is, you know, rose panels. It's like, you know, you're in a [ __ ] UFC fight.
Yeah. And you're just like I mean, and I if he had said, "Hey, divorce is off limits." Then divorce is off limits, right?
Well, you're like a backyard brawler and he was like a like an Olympic wrestler
and you just went in and he wasn't a roast guy, though. He was a obviously a very skilled comic. You know, he was prolific and he was a
murderer on the Oh, and even his fans were like, you know, he's a better cop. I like I never said he wasn't. Yeah. We're doing a roast battle.
I just said no one loves him. You went for one. I just said it was fat in 15 different ways.
You went for the juggler. It's not easy to find. The weird thing is you drink more soda.
Maybe high fructose corn syrup business. Well, I had to I had to I had to think like his audience.
He had a Donnie Brasco. Poor guy. Well, remember remember like a few
before we battled he was really mad at Chelsea Petti. You remember on Twitter? Yes.
Because she had an album, a special called One of the Great. And Yeah. Yeah. And he was like, "I've been
with, you know, I've seen Richard Prior. I've seen, you know, George Carlin. George Carlin. You're not one of the greats." The whole thing was like, "It's
a joke." Yeah. And when I saw that, I was like, "Why is he in a battle, man? This is not
Yeah. Damn. Yeah. Well, RIP.
Yeah. He's taking up two seats on that flight
to heaven. He broke the stairway. Him and Brian are together.
Did you see what they said about you? Did you see what they said on that podcast?
About my boy Ralphie? They broke my boy?
Crafting Comedy & The Writing Process
Ralphie is Luca Bronxy. Wow. Damn. No one had to tell him to take the
canoli. [Laughter]
He's fetuccini Alfredo. There we go.
All right. Poor Alfie. Poorie. Good comic. Check out his
albums. Now promote him. Yeah. Check him out on iTunes.
Yeah. He was unplugged in 2017, but we're plugging him in 2025.
Damn, dude. [Laughter] The guy was a He was a pro wrestler. The
guy Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. Was No. No. The guy played Lucari.
Damn. Matt Ralphie was sumo. Okay. Did you know Uncle Jr. was also in The
Godfather? Yeah. Yes. You know this part two? Yeah. Who is he? No, he's Johnny Ola.
Johnny. Wasn't that part Jun? Wasn't a part two? Maybe we have the internet. Yeah, I just
watched I watched Good Fellas last week and I was like, "Holy [ __ ] forgot Tony Sicho is in this season." Everybody's
those guys. They just they probably had like a you know like Guinea Express.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, they he's from Brooklyn. They're all just They almost know each
other. It's the same 10 guys in all the movies. I think Johnny But thing like even if you say like two
lines in a movie like that, that's at least $100,000. I'm not thinking just
residuals. No, definitely. Oh, Godfather Residuals must be nice. The guy who was the the warden in Shaw
Shank, he was like it's he said six figures like when TNT was showing it every week.
That guy's acting a lot. That character. Remember when like you didn't know what to say to your dad, so you just put TNT
on and hope Shaw Shank was playing. Yeah. Right. Right. By the way, look this up.
Also in Ace Ventura, too. Oh, that's right. That's Ralphie's wife looking into his butt.
That's what the donut sees before eats it. You either start living or start dieting.
He's hitting the pipe with a rock, but it's just chocolate. Um, look how much a woman speaks in in
Shaw Shane. It's just the poster. It's just the poster. Rita Hayward, I think. So, I think it might be the
record. Any dude say any [ __ ] of these like mob movies like Godfather, dude. The Irishman.
Does that prison movie pass the beal test? Chief.
10 seconds. 10 seconds. Female. Wow. Wow. Damn. Saudi Arabian approved.
But even if you wa watch it in Saudi like TNT, their faces are blurred. They're veiled.
Uh, wait. So, Mike, uh, do you have new material? Are you back on the road? You just you just shot it all.
I don't have any. I don't have any. I have some Pope stuff. Oh, there you go. That's funny. That's the first thing
asked me when I got off stage last night. Do you have any Pope stuff? He's so cautious.
But you're working on these chunks. It's like I don't know how you guys do. I mean, I know Sam, we talk on the phone. Yeah.
So, we're going through jokes, but um I'm trying to work on like chunks. Yeah. You know what I And it's like it'll work
in front of some you guys have your own audiences now. So it's like but it's
like it'll work in front of some audiences and it won't work in some front of other audiences. And it's like I can't live with that. So it's like I
have to go back and then retool. So I have a bunch of those. I have a bunch of chunks that like are constructed but not
really working. Yeah. which is frustrating because it's like you got to go back and then it's like let me get some confidence by just
writing a couple of jokes these standalones or whatever and then you don't want to cater to like just
Nate's crowd or you want stuff that could work anywhere. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. I mean I I have to
survive though. They're hot. They're great. He's doing arenas. It's It's unbelievable. And they're really hot but
it's like I'm still in the clubs in the city and then I go on the road and work funny bones and stuff. So I have to kill there too.
Oh yeah. So it's uh Yeah. But you're a killer man. You always turn it around. You always every time, every hour, it's like
killer. Tolific. Turn it around. But uh but but I need to like I find that talking it out really helps too cuz
I used to be a sit down, get a cup of coffee and just churn it out and then see how it does in the set and then
listen back or whatever. But but it really helps to like sit down, get on the phone and like it's a lot of energy
though. It is a lot of energy to do that. to write it and then and then sit and talk it out and then you just got to
keep working with it though. Yeah. The writing alone in your room it's so I feel like sometimes I'm the
only guy who can't crack a joke. You ever just stare at a thing? You're like what is it? Where do I go? And you feel like does other do other people do this
or is it just me who sucks? Oh I did. There was all that Epstein news yesterday. So I'm going to write a good Epstein joke. I spent like a couple
hours on it. I tried like eight Epstein jokes the seller and they all [ __ ] whiffed. Also my neighbor was like can
you get me tickets? I'm like yeah but I'm doing what I'm going to do. So, so now my neighbors like just had to watch me bomb eight Epstein jokes and I was
like I don't give a [ __ ] But then you get into that thing where it's like you were on Epste Island.
But it's like when you get on the thing like that where it's like it's exciting cuz it's topical but then you did what you did there where it's like
okay how much time do I spend on this? I know like how much I mean we're all stubborn and like whatever but it's like
how much time should I spend on this topic that's going to be out of the news in 6 months or 3 months. It's like a few
years the Epstein jokes have still been working, you know, but now it's a new angle that there's no list DOJ or
Sam's Epste jokes didn't bomb themselves. But I mean the Wait, when did he kill
himself? 2019. Has it been that long? I mean, yeah, it was when he was murdered.
I don't Yeah, I think like I'm not a big conspiracy theorist guy, but a guy like that has too much confidence
to kill himself. I There's like too many guys. One of the few people who believes he killed
himself. I believe he killed himself. I believe he he got there and was like he had this big Italian uh
uh cellmate who killed like three people and was just like a kind of a bully guy and he was probably bullying. I could
imagine. And Epste saw that and he's like, "This is jail. When I get to I'm not even out of
penitentiary yet. Like this is the rest of my life. I'm just going to get um and he's [ __ ] kids which is like a
big no no. Yeah. You're just getting abused in prison. So he's had a great cushy
great life. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously he's [ __ ] Well, not a great life. More, you know. No, actually that's why I did mean that.
I don't know. It seemed like a pretty cool life to me. Dude, do you do you do more pedophile jokes or less pedophile jokes now that you're a
father? I've tripled down. I do that to the kid. I just had my kid introduce me to other
[ __ ] kids. Yeah. Yeah. That's the only reason I had banned from daycare,
banned from picking up his I remember when my sister had a baby, I got her uh I got her Lorie Kil Martin's
book about having a baby and I didn't realize she name brought me in the book as having a dead baby joke.
So my sister's like, "She mentioned you." I'm like, "Oh jeez, I didn't I like a joke about leaving babies." I think the it was like an old joke. It
was like I saw a headline said Stone Dad uh leaves baby in the oven. And I'm like, it should say Stone Dad puts baby
in the oven. That's like the shocking part. Yeah, right. Not to leave him, you know. But uh I
didn't say it was an A+ joke. But uh he said it was Yeah. But uh
I was like, "Holy [ __ ] that was a big Italian guy. Thanks for showing that." Yeah, that was the guy. He was a monster. He killed like three
people and he just like I think he just he felt that and then and then going to
like a penitentiary, he's like I I just can't do this. Yeah. Right. Right. But that's my theory. I know everybody
else thinks cameras are just magically off. Nobody saw it. Nobody saw him dangling there. It is also hilarious though that like,
you know, Trump's whole thing is like, we're putting out this [ __ ] list. And then a few weeks ago, Elon Musk is like,
he's on that list. That's why he's not releasing it. And now Trump's like, "Ah, we got to [ __ ] we got to figure it out." I don't know.
Yeah. Then Trump's like, "We'll deport Elon." Keeps flipping. Trump is like Matt Damon in the Departed.
He's like, "We got to [ __ ] find this guy." Code switcher. Uh yeah, it's it's too much to keep. It's a
lot to write and people go, you get so much material, huh? You know, random people and you're like, I can't do it
all. It's too much. It's tough when it's that big a story cuz you're just like, well, everyone's taking swings at it. If it was like a
great So, yeah. I mean, but it's almost just a way to keep the muscle strong to tackle those times. It's also like, you
know, the the day that he was elected, like I just knew it was going to be exhausting because like even like the
first time like when people who don't care about politics are like looking up what impeachment means and all of that
like we didn't do that with Biden. We would not have done that with Kamala. Like did you know about habius corpus?
Like when the uneducated are trying to educate themselves, that's a problem. And when everyone's like deeming
themselves a political comic, like either go for the joke or don't. But, you know, when everyone's like, "Here's
the angle. Here's how you should view things." You're like, "That's that's not what you do." With Twitter, it's a 350 person writer
room. So, you're like, "I think I got an angle." And then you open Twitter and you're like, "Ah, there it is." The problem The problem, too, is that
the most Trump jokes anybody can make. I know. That's why it's so hard to get an original one. Yeah. And And it's like, yeah, there
what what are you actually saying? It's like, you know, it's a take. You try to get a new take. I got this one I don't think anyone's
touched. is about him being orange. I think it's going to [ __ ] hit, dude. I call him commander and cheeto.
Wait a minute. Let me Whenever I see someone like orange man bad takes, I'm like, have you not you
don't see this is out there? I know. you I mean you know that they were like like on all those late night
Topical Jokes, Twitter, and Political Comedy
shows they just took out their old they just you know some of the jokes
you're hearing now are from the first term like they're just repeating them and of course first term jokes
what about his hair though has anyone tackled n that's that's that's all you dude all right I'll try it
but it's old hat to us but you put a joke out there like that it'll go viral it'll a good if it's a if you have a
slightly original one. It could it could pop. But that's true. Also, like you get rewarded for speed on Twitter and things
like if you if you get it if you get there first. But yeah, but there's accounts that just
like poach your joke, you know. I know there's that too. You see the same joke over and over,
but now it's hard to do a late night show because by the time the show is out, everyone's like made So that's you
really have got to have like a a unique angle. Well, topical world. Look at Josh Johnson. It's just it's topical. So
people like it. Well, it's also Twitter. What happened was a lot of the people that got writing jobs from Twitter could
not hang in an actual writing job and they stopped hiring from Twitter.
Oh, is that right? Yeah, that was happening a lot where it's like you to to write on like I've
worked on like the soup like to write on a show like that the amount of output that you have to have it's like it can't
be like a couple zingers a day. Yeah, you had to write like 80 jokes. Like you
had to write a I don't know how you do it, dude. Because you're one of those people that you get a subject and Mike will [ __ ]
like we all know this. He will rattle like so many [ __ ] even working with Mike on the Netflix thing. It's we're working on on the show, you just see he
is a [ __ ] you are built for those rooms and and very few are, right? But it's work, you know? It's like it's
that thing of I remember when we did the movie awards in 2015 and it's like and
you you know what's funny is like what's great about them? It's different than standup because standup it's like you
are trying to find the best thing. When I write on a [ __ ] like that I put the worst thing too.
I agree. Yeah. Throw it all out there because it's also it's like you're not saying it. Yeah. And let them choose. They might think
it's the best thing and it could jog another thing. It could there are jobs where just you're just
filling a page. I I mean it was like amazing like working on the on the globes with Nikki where it was like oh
we we spent like she killed that. Oh it was phenomenal. And the hard work was there. Like she went up almost a
hundred times. She um basically it was like we started in November and it was
funny like one of the jokes that aired was the first one that I submitted. Hey, that feels good.
Yeah. Do you remember the joke? It was like you guys can um do anything except tell people who to vote for.
Wow. You wrote that one. That's a great joke. Great opener. Great. Great to like that's like a nice
but good for the room too to kind of zing them a little bit but not too harsh too much not your vase
McDade in the back being all. Yeah. I remember I I posted this photo on my own wall and a a white woman of
course was like, "Oh, I bet you're the kind of guy who adopts a black baby to feel better about yourself and call
yourself progressive." So that was that was You should be like, "No, I do it for human trafficking.
It's actually much worse. Have you heard of Mark Norman? He's going to buy them in a few.
I don't go with the black ones. Yeah. But yeah, but I'm a little appalled by the diversity.
Yeah, I'm sure that came up at some point, right? Oh, yeah. Good times. The guy next to JP is black.
Not [Laughter] the guy in his photo. It's like it's like where's Waldo? But
yeah. And then and then Okay. The guy next to him, that's John Max. He writes
on everything. Oh, really? He's the guy. He He is the guy. He writes on every
single award show. He was one of Joe Koy's guys. I'll put that up. But his fault.
Don't blame him. He actually wrote the line where we said, "You should blame us." You're going to be that when he dies.
That's you, baby. I hope so. Yeah. I think you got that. I'm trying to volanch my beard, you know.
The circle gets the square. But yeah, you're going to be that guy. And I I would happily be that guy.
When you guys walked in, was it like Resville Johnson and Avery?
We we we we worked on a thing with Brad Pitt together, me and that guy. What was that?
It was just he was doing like some um award show speech. He was uh presenting
David Fincher or something in France. And you wrote jokes for Brad Pitt? Yeah. How did that come about?
Through him. because I I I did the the Can you help me with this custody hearing too I'm working on?
Give me a couple zingers up top. Can you write from the perspective of uh belleaguered adopted dad?
They're both adopted black kids. Yeah. Yeah. But uh but he doesn't keep in touch with any of them. I don't
No. No. Whoa. Elon doesn't either. I'm trying to, you know, the autistic dad thing. I'm trying
to, you know, take that back, too. So, what was it like working with Brad Pitt? I mean, you just sent jokes. I
never did respond or no. Um, I don't know. No, he never did to
me. Like, John was like working with him directly. He ran them at store, right? Paid in cash and and sent like a [ __ ]
like $500 bottle of wine. Hey, you're like, I don't drink wine. It's so funny that Yeah. I know. I was
like, can you get me more action figures, please? Can you get me Angelina Joel Lee, who
played Ajax in the Eternals? I heard that. I heard his new movie is good. the F1 movie. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'd like to see.
He's actually great, man. He's a great actor. Let's get him on here. Yeah, he's awesome. That was fun.
Bullet Train was great. Was it? It was a lot of fun. And Angelino Jolie played Thea, not Ajax. That was Sama. I know someone
would be upset and it would be me. I was upset. Yeah. Yeah. Brad Pitt's run has been pretty [ __ ] amazing. I think so many good
movies. He produces good movies, too. Yeah. He did the Bard. I love that he's the guy who frees the
slaves in 12 Years of Slave and he produced it. Yeah. I wonder who should play the hero here. Nate.
He also played Didn't he play a Nazi or did he play Nazi? They beat the Nazi.
He was like a fog. He was cool as [ __ ] in that movie. Yeah. All I know is Fight Club. Fight Club's good.
That was awesome. I didn't watch it till too late. They Fight Club was ruined by the people who
love Fight Club. Yeah. It's like fish. Like your fans aren't helping you. Yeah.
But they're just they're just both so good, man. I love those two actors. But uh and David Fenture is awesome. Oh my
god. Well, I see that book you were talking about about the uh not not producing the movies that are great. That I would say
the same for review guys. I just watched the Led Zeppelin doc. They gave horrible horrible reviews to Led Zeppelin out of
the gate. This band sucks. They're not talented. They're the worst. Sorry that came out of nowhere.
No, I know what you mean. But uh yeah, like they don't put on shows that are good, but they also review everything horribly.
Well, you know, you you you were asking me about pet peeves, right? We got to get to some.
Pet Peeves: Life's Everyday Annoyances
And reviews was a big one for me cuz like you know the the Superman movie is coming out. I'm really excited about it.
And you know they just lifted the embargo and there's people you know review bombing it because I like the
Zack Snider stuff and all that. My my big pet peeve is don't listen to reviews. Like I was I was talking to a
friend and his whole thing was like me and my wife wanted to go to a movie and we couldn't decide cuz this had this on
Rotten Tomatoes. It's like just go to the movies to go to the movies. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Fight Club was horribly reviewed.
Is it horribly reviewed? No, I think I think it got booed at a festival. I think it was pretty well reviewed. I pull it up.
I think it was like this is like a manchild uh you know, [ __ ] movie
blah blah blah. All right, I take anyone's pretty good. Wow, that's incredible. You know that
96% popcorn is beating up the 4% that didn't
I mean yeah it's like I remember it's a fair pee for sure but like uh Shaw Shank bombed you know when it came out
theatrically yeah for best picture but that's true but it bombed but I mean I had one of
those moms who was like I don't want to take you to those Adam Sandler movies and those Chris Farley movies because they always got like
bad ratings in the paper. Sure. Ace Ventura got bad reviews all the comedies get horrible writeups.
Well, there was the thing in the in Living Color book. Um, it's a great book. Uh, homie, don't play that where
they talk about bullying Jim Carrey because like he would he would stay at the office after um, everyone went home
and work on Ace Ventura. Oh, but they were like there were the amount of people that they that was a a dead
script that they had passed from this person to that person and they're like there's no way this is going to work. and the talking out of
the butt thing and sure. Who else could have pulled that off though? I mean, that was like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was honing
that character on stage for years, right? Maybe. Oh god. Oh, that's great. That is my nightmare.
Thanks for not I like that you didn't do Nikki so I can work again. [Laughter]
It looks like he see it's somehow more diverse now. Yeah. Look at all of those fathers of
black children. I worked on some peeves. Let me see what I got for a peeve. Yeah, I got a couple peeves. I got some
peeves. This is a classic peeve. Maybe I've said it before, but it just gets annoying. You know when you're in a room with that
one guy, just you and a guy in a room and you go, "What'd you eat for lunch?" And they go, "Who me?" No, you're the only guy here. That
drives me [ __ ] nuts. Who me? That that feels like like you're pitching on the first day of Seinfeld.
Who me? Small talk though, Mark, isn't it? Is it Is it Is it small talk?
Well, well, who is he setting you up to let you know what the big lunch was? Well, it's just mindboggling. I'm like,
who else? There's no one else here. Who else would I be talking to? The who me? Like, oh, oh, me? Like, he's caught off
guard. Yeah, I don't get it. It's crazy. I'm talking to you. I'm looking at you. You're the only person here. Everybody
go me. Yeah, you. Yeah. Who you hanging out with, Betty Boop? What is this?
Uh, I got a good one. Oh man. Yeah. It's uh when you're on a plane and
they you land and they take off the seat belt sign. It's supposed to filter out
just one row. It's naturally one row at a time filtering out. Everybody knows that. And but there's always usually one
person who gets their bags immediately and tries to run for it. And they make
it like maybe four seats up and then they're stopped and then they're confused. as to how they're stopped.
They're like, "What? What do we It's They don't have to catch another flight." I understand if you got a connecting flight, all you have to do
connecting flight. Yeah. Who is that? But it happens. I mean, I'm not kidding. It's like at least once
at le every time. Every time. Every time. There's at least one person who gets their bags and then rushes up
and then is perplexed. Yes. That they only got four rows and they're like, "What the
Every time. What do you think is going on here?" I know. I know. It's like you see the natural progression of things. It's like
they think they system. What's also like when you when you land early,
you always end up losing that time taxiing. That's true. It was like I I just landed
in LA 40 minutes. You know, we got there 40 minutes early. We still exited the plane on time.
Yeah, they always That happened to be yesterday actually. That's true. Do you think there's a quicker way to get out of the plane or the way they
have it is the way that it works in Europe? They open the back door so you can flood out like that and it's so
much better. Yeah. But they won't do that in America. They won't open the back door. There's a back door on the plane.
Yeah. Uh it's like my last relationship. She wouldn't open the back door, right? No. I uh
in Europe they would. I got a I got a call from someone I haven't talked to in like 12 years. And
your dad. There's Brian Cox.
Hello, Samuel. The character is pathetic. He left me a
a message and it was no context. Just, "Hey Sam, it's Kevin." That's the
message. It's been 12 years. I need some context. Yeah. Come on. I need something more than just It's I
can see who it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's That's annoying. How about this guy? Hey man, can I can I borrow like 60
bucks? How are you? He does throws the how are you in after after the favor
like to be like I'm not just asking for money. I'm I'm checking in too. The how are you before is also annoying though.
Yeah. Yeah. Cuz it's worse before. They're both bad. But uh
would you rather have just a Venmo request? I'd rather that. I'd rather that. Just Hey, can I ask you something? Uh
yeah, just like that. How are you? You don't care how you can't borrow money expecting it back.
If you ever lend someone money, you have to accept that it's gone. I know. That's that's a bummer. And then
if you ask for it back, somehow they get mad at you because there was like I don't know. There was a moment like when you're an
adult of like I can never ask for money again. I don't know when it was but it just felt like and then because someone would
do it to you and you're like oh that's sad. I also don't like when they bring up they go I know I owe you money by the
way. I'm like that does nothing for me. You just you're aware of it. That's great. That's even worse. Where have a tab?
Or how about when they owe you 500 bucks or whatever and you're at a a bodega and you're like, "I'll get the Coke." And they'll go, "Let me get the Coke."
It's a $148. You just go $49850. [Music]
Yeah. I got I got another peeve. Just a simple peeve. Referrals at the doctor's office.
I hate refer. I have to go to the doctor to see another doctor. Yeah. Oh, that's great. You need to write me a thing so I can
see the doctor I actually need to see. I hate that. Crazy. But sometimes there's no referral, which is confusing also, which
is like, oh, we'll just take care of it. We'll just I love that. Yeah. But it's like, I thought I needed a
Parenting, Kids' Content, & Autism Awareness
referral. You don't. The difference in quality between the Paw Patrol movies and the Paw Patrol
series, let me just [ __ ] tell you. You'll know. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Do you have any qualms with the TV showing screen time? You worried about that at all with the kids? Yeah, it's fine. I mean, you know, Miss
Rachel really triggered my autism. It was hard for me to watch because they do like zoomins of her mouth. It's like
very sensory like ASMR because she's a speech therapist. So, she's like teaching kids to talk. Oh, weird.
It is like very helpful for kids, but it's also it was excruciating for me to
watch, right? But he loved it. It was his first thing that he watched and you know, she's she's uh I just did an episode of my
podcast all all about her because of all the controversies that she's gotten in stuff.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. which aren't even real controversies, but it's the people that go after her.
Oh, really? What's the name of your pod, Mike? Uh, Nerd of Mouth. Nerd of Mouth. But her whole her whole thing was about
like kids shouldn't die, and that's a hot take. They called her like an agent for Hamas.
Whoa. Anti-Semitic. And she cuz she did a video with a
three-year-old Palestinian amputee.
Yikes. I'm trying to have a nice Sunday here. Trying to enjoy my matzah.
Yeah. I don't know who's the agent of Hamas, but I think they work at WME as well.
I got a great deal for you. Boy, she must be loaded, right? I mean, the amount of views she has.
Well, now Yeah. I mean, she has uh, you know,
that's how I feel about her controversies. But she she has, you know, merchandise and all that, like
toys at Target and the Netflix deal. Really? Yeah. Good for the That's smart of Netflix. I
mean, and she she built it herself in 2019, like started the channel and then, you
know, the pandemic was like there is some I don't know if you're there yet, but when your kid first starts watching
TV, that relief that you have of not having to worry about them the entire time is
intoxicating. I know. I know. That's why you go on these YouTube kids stuff and it's like eight trillion views because
it's every parent in America just being like, "Yeah." And they put autoplay on so it never ends.
Right. Exactly. What about the pen? The who? The crib. Isn't the crib protect them? I
don't have any kids. Oh, yeah. The crib. Unless you're putting the pen. I'm sorry.
Not a pen. But the thing is, sometimes there's an Italian baby in there and he intimidates you and then you hang
yourself on the mobile. How old is Mr. Rachel?
I think 42 43. Wow. She must have wild sex. I think you have to you have to go the
other way. Mr. Rachel got her husband, Mr. Aaron
42. He's a music director and they do all the stuff together. Wow. She's from Maine. How about that?
Yeah. All right. Good for her. She's She's killing it. People love her. Kids love her. It's almost like a a hex she puts
on you. Well, because so much stuff made for kids is like garbage. Like designed to be garbage. Like Coco Melon and all of
that. It's like very like quick cuts and things. And her thing is like focusing on her and eye contact
cuz she talks to them like they're people, right? Yeah. It's called parentes. Yeah. That's that's the language of like how
you change your voice and everything. Like Miss Rachel porn.
Jesus. He pulled up his Rachel board. Did he put my face on instead? No. No. Don't do that. I'll never get a
voter again. All right, there we go. We got Rodney's B.
Oh, yeah. Did Did I skip a peeve? Did someone say a peeve or someone have one? I had I had the referral one, but yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. [ __ ] I had another one. Oh, how about this guy? I'm going to [ __ ] this up. But the guy who goes um he
won't just tell you something. He makes you have to say it, you know. Be like, "Uh, remember that diner we went to last
week?" And you go, "Uh, I don't know." And he goes, "You remember the diner? Come on. It was the one on 34th." I'm
like, "Well, what about it?" And he's like, "What? You know, you know the diner." And I'm like, "Just tell me the diner." He has to make you have to pull
it out of you. Drives me crazy. That was our friendship, but you were always drunk and I was always sober, so
the diner. You actually did fill in the blanks for us a couple times. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how you did it
because those earlier years were so hard. Like I had a day job. I was living out in Crown Heights. I get mugged doing
open mics and I had to have a [ __ ] drink and you stayed stayed Well, he had his other he had his soda
and his candy and my action figures. Well, I g I gave those up when I moved to New York and then I started
collecting again when I moved to LA. And it it is an it is a genuine addiction
because I I'll buy one sometimes and it doesn't you don't feel anything and that's when you're like, "Okay, I
gotta stop for a while." Is there one you had your eye on and like a big gig, you're like, "I'm getting this one for this." What was that? Galactis.
Collectibles, Action Figures, and Hobbies
Pull it up. Galact The Haslab Galactis is He was like It's like a $400.
Whoa. He's 32 in. Yes. And he comes with other figures. It's Yeah. I have it in my
living room. Wow. That's your tall boy. Yeah. Look at that. Yeah. 600 bucks.
That's on the aftermarket, but Yeah. Can we get you like a a used one? Like a
car? No, I have one. Oh, you got one? Oh, good. I got it when it came out. Yeah. Oh, you made it.
Well, that was always great was like, you know, when I would have a job and it's like, okay, I could get this and
this and this and then, you know, when you're not working, you're like, all right, just got to stay lean. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But there are but
what they used to do is if I if if this is boring I'll I'll stop. But they have
build a figures where you get six figures and each figure has a piece and
you put it together. So you end up buying [ __ ] you don't want just to make a bigger thing.
Whoa. Damn. Wow. That's a metaphor. Yeah. It's so funny.
You ever doing that and your wife I'm sorry. You ever doing that and your wife's like, "But could you cut the lawn
or redo the deck?" It's like, "You're putting together this complicated action figure."
She knows what I am. It's like, "We need the bathroom redone." Like, "You could take your action figure skills and redo the
bathroom." Skills, though. Mike, when I got my official autism diagnosis at 38 and told her, she's
like, "Yeah, you think I didn't [ __ ] know." What? How did you get uh
diagnosed with it? How did How did it play out? Well, I took I took a test. Um, and uh, it's so you talk to like the
psychologist for like a few hours. Then you have to talk to your parents. That's the worst part. Um,
with no eye contact. Yeah, I can do that. No, now you're self-aware, so you have
to try to make it. It's way worse. It was It was so funny as my dad was like, "Yeah, I probably had that, too."
And and then my mom was like, "I didn't know you weren't supposed to smoke when you were pregnant."
And um and then you it was so funny. I had to go into the psychology office and
you know the waiting room and it's just me and a bunch of kids cuz that's when you're supposed to get
tested. Yeah. And then you're doing all of these different um you know cognitive test and
memory test and things like that. And was it cool being with the kids you could compare action figures?
Mine were better. No. And then Yeah. And then I got the diagnosis. Yeah. And it was And I
remember like, "Oh god, what if my wife thinks different of me?" And she's like, "Yeah, [ __ ] of course I knew." Yeah.
Yeah. But she's like, "I've been making excuses for you." She's like, "You're a grown man in a Silver Surfer shirt." I knew.
Put it together. Adena's awesome. She gets it. Yeah. She is awesome. She got it. She got And you sound cool on a date.
You're like, you know, uh, it's Brad Pit gig. I made six figures.
And I made Brad Pitt. I had to get him, too, with six different Brad Pitt action figures.
Yeah. Yeah. On a date, you sound great. Six figures. You're working with Brad Pitt. You're at the Golden Globes. I mean, you're you're killing it.
She'll say that [ __ ] for me because I always feel weird doing it. It's like, you know, Mike worked for I was like, I didn't ever even talk to him or
anything. I just send jokes. I have this wine that he sent me. Yeah. Yeah. Is there anyone else you worked with
that were like that was really random like that? Oh, all the time. You got quite a resume. Yeah. Well, you know, when you write
like for award shows and stuff, it's like you're writing for everybody. Like you're writing everything is written.
You have to write the intros, you have to write the outros. You know that that guy Max, he uh often does the pattern.
But there's like pattern people where that's their job. When you see two celebrities on stage just
talking like there's guys who they just write that, right? Yeah. Like, hey, Viola Davis, you look
well, it's like that's a good line. Thank you. But the but but the monologue the way that like the monologue works it was like
funny with with the globes it's like you get a seating chart and it was funny what it was so like two days before the
globes we are all sitting there because you're helping Nikki with memorizing
where everybody is. So we're all we got footage of this where they would like
show us I was Tilda Swinton. She's like, "Tilda Swinton is here." And it's just me going, "Right."
But we would wave so that she would know like when the show's happening. That's where Tilda is. That's where, you know,
Shalamé is. They have to know all of that [ __ ] in advance. That makes sense. Jeez. And it's funny, too, the politics of who
sits at what table and everything. And when to make the Jalapia joke
and then the slap, which you write, I assume. I know the guy who wrote that joke. See,
someone writing Will Smith is like, "I like pretty girls." He's like, "That's it. I'm straight."
The only thing I'll say about that joke is like, you know, I've talked to the guy and it's like he wrote 20. That's the one they picked and he never, you
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know, he wasn't thinking, oh, this would, you know, and then Chris Rock picked it and he didn't think that would happen either.
No one did. Such a nothing. Yeah. Yeah. GI Jane, come on. Yeah. Yeah.
Crazy. Uh, Mike, you were a wrestler.
Byron Allen, everybody. Well,
it's coming back. Is it? It replaced the um After Midnight.
Byron Allen is Yeah. Comics Unleashed. Oh, Comics Unleashed. Got the email.
Oh, hey. Yeah, it's in the 12:35 slot. Yeah, nice. That guy needs more money. He owns
the Weather Channel. Yeah. No, how is that still a channel?
I know. I think we talked about this already. Steinfeld episode two. How is the weather channel a channel?
Why don't you just go outside? It's partly.
You You've met him a few times. Do you ever have an inkling to do the voice in front of him?
He enjoys it. Wow. He enjoys it. He's He's very uh thick skinned. He can really zing him and he's
cool with everything. I mean, you see him with these Palestine hecklers. He's just like, "Yeah, [ __ ] you." you know,
he doesn't get phased at all. I saw an interview where he was like, he said he liked being made fun of, which
is like it's probably the right attitude. He did SNL and the whole sketch is what's the deal with coffee tables
there? There's no coffee on it, you know, and he's right along with him. Right. Right. Which, you know, it's kind of fun that
he's Well, that whole 30 Rock thing was Tina Fay crying. Yes. She's He's like, "Are you doing me? I'm
crying. Are you doing an impression of me?" No, I'm sad. It's hilarious.
Craig Blackface was on NBC. Who was Black? She did Blackface on the show a
couple times. Oh, I he said Kramer Blackface was on NBC. Oh, he did blackface as well on
Seinfeld. Kramer did Oh, the chicken episode. Yeah. No, no, no. Different one. That one.
Yeah, it was like tan. It wasn't blackface. We like got He was tanning, right? Fell. He was dating a black girl
and he shows up to the house and the dad got offended. Dude, I I I think you might have been the one who showed me, Mark. when he he
him apologizing on Letterman and then and then Sci-Fi going, "Stop.
It's not funny. Come on, stop laughing." Cuz we've we've laughed at the guy for 15 years straight.
Well, also the warm-up person is like, "Come on, everybody. He's got to keep the energy up."
This guy used to send me shirts and they were like kind They were like basketball shirts mixed with pop culture at this company. And one of the shirt they were
some were really cool. Like he did like a Nicks one, a Death Row Records Knicks one, but then he did one he sent me and
it was Kramer in blackface. He's a black guy, so he thinks it's funny. But I was like, I can't wear this [ __ ] shirt.
People going to think I'm a psycho. You have to You have to show them the fork that's stuck up your ass.
Oh, I forgot about that. Was it That's not it. That's not accurate. I don't know where it is.
Damn. Yeah, man. I I I started around the time that happened and
Yeah. And it was interesting, you know, it's like there's that part of me that it's like it did feel like people were
saying he's an amateur and he had done a lot of standup before, right?
I mean, Michael Richard, but was he a he was a standup?
I think in the way of where he stood on stage and did Pratt falls and stuff. He didn't have like setup punch stuff.
Yeah. like he used to go on Johnny Carson just him and just he had a whole character where he was a bad weightlifter and all
the weights would fall off the rack. Right. He was a great physical comedian. But yeah, that's I I think they meant
amateurs and like he didn't really know how to handle himself when things would go south. And he's been, you know, praised
for years and years, then all of a sudden he's getting heckled and yelled at. Yeah. Remember him in UHF? Oh, yeah. Stanley Spowski.
You feel when they take that mop? Yes. My mom. Yes. Mom child. He's a the villain and
problem child. That killed me as a kid. Damn, he's so young. Yeah, look at that. Wow. Hey, this weird. He's
coming to the garden. You see that? Yeah. I like go. He was a He was a guy, too, right? He
was like the stickler on Seinfeld, right? Like in the outtakes to be the one who was mad all the time.
Yeah, he was super on. I'm sorry. We had Larry Charles on. Oh, we're having on in the future, I guess.
No, we had him on at this point. Okay. Yeah. Uh, he said he'd never seen Michael Richards laugh or smile.
Yes. Oh, wow. Until that night at the laugh. It is funny when comedians get described
like the biggest sociopaths ever. Like he's never smiled once. You're in comedy.
You don't smile ever. You're surrounded by Jason Alexander Ela. And knowing where that's coming for
Larry Charles of like, you know, writing scripts for him and hoping that he laughs and oh man, I want this guy to
love this thing. He was just so dialed in and he just obsessed. If you would if you would mess up, you'd
go, "Come on. Come on. What are you doing? Get the I think he gave a lot physically to those scenes." So if like I think it's like when you get annoyed when you're
given so much and it's not working out. You're like, "I can't keep [ __ ] summoning this." There's a scene where the AC falls out
the window and he does a thing where he chases it and he breaks a rib. Really? So he was kind of a Buster Keaton. He
was like, I'll go all in. He's not a veteran. You guys are like actually the guy's
like a war hero. like I I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm all for what you're saying, but um
don't worry, the heart is purple. It's not black. It it it's it's crazy cuz like he that
show like the se he is a part of the secret sauce obviously but like that that is how you make a show of just
protect like Jerry was genius of protecting yourself with just the best performers and the the three of the you
know you know George Elaine and Kramer are completely different. Yes.
Yeah. But they're all you know that you have phys because there were so many Seinfeld clones but they didn't have the physical
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comedian or But before that, it was all family. Everybody was trying to do
Cosby. Yeah. Everybody was trying to do family comedies because it's like we need to sell. We need they family comedies are
what's hot. And then that came in and it was like, you know, obviously we know the story. It's like they
and the guy at NBC believed in it or else it wouldn't have got that kind of a run. They were trying to do Cosby. He was
trying to do them. And it didn't get a proper 22 episodes till the third season, right?
Yeah. Yeah. They had a time time move and that helped them. They were after Cheers at some point and that helped their
ratings. But you did have Taxi and Mary Tyler Moore. Taxi is so good. Taxi is good. That's not
Barney Miller. Yeah. Yeah. But I felt like after Cosby every I was really trying to force the family and
TGIF 100% 100%. Yeah. They go with what works. That's a Right. Right. Yeah. Right.
You know, and for something new to break, somebody has to take a risk. Yes. probably why Married with Children work because it was like the
anti-cossby. It was called Not the Cosby's. No, originally. Yeah. Look at that.
Wow. That's crazy. Well, it's crazy cuz like Yeah. Seinfeld would not exist now. They would not, you
know, that it has a name change of the Seinfeld Chronicles and then, you know, Elaine's not even in the first episode.
True. That they would Yeah. White cast. Yeah. But the five, you know, um,
episodes of a first season, they would just cancel it after that. Oh, 100%. It was in the summer, right? I think
they just But then it would get reborn on Tuby. Yeah.
Well, there you go. And see see Mike on Tuby. No, you got a special out there.
I Comedy Central years ago. Well, check out Mike's podcast, Nerd of Mouth, and watch Mike Veion's new
special on YouTube. Uh, low-inccome white. Low-in-one white on Nateland Entertainment. Uh, two two of our faves.
Clean as a whistle. Yeah. Look at you. Yeah, man. You look rugged and hunky. Look at that. Yeah.
Good Nights Tempe De Moines Hartford and the Zies Lab. Nice.
Mike.com for dates. Please follow me. ComicMike V. Oh yeah, definitely check that out. Mike is is
terrific. One of the best. Yeah. Thank you guys. What's the next? First saw you at Ochi's Lounge in
comics. And I was like, that's a comedian. Thank you, buddy. Yeah. Remember we get a we get a nugget every
now and then. You're like, "Oh, Hannibal's coming." Yeah. Oh my god. This is crazy. My lady is gracing us with this.
Yes. Or one time Marin came down. He was like, "Look at all you said people."
We loved it. Oh god. I'll be at uh I'll be at uh when does this come out?
Start August 22. uh Irvine Improv and then we got uh Oklahoma City. Then we
got uh the Venetian in Vegas, Rochester uh the 22nd to 25th
through the 27th in Rochester, New York. Chicago Theater, Winnipeg, a big Euro
tour in October. It's it should be up by now. You're going to be one of those dads that farts on their kid, aren't you?
Wait, he's going to be His first words was, "Please no." Yes. You're just going to raise you.
I'll be in Barcelona, uh, London, Paris, Amsterdam, [ __ ]
uh, all over. I'm forgetting a bunch of Dublin. I'm all over. It's on my website. I'll coming to your place in
Europe. Then we got, uh, Salt Lake City and the Biggie at uh, Carnegie Hall.
December 4th. Oh, Reno as well. I forgot, but yeah, December 4th uh, New
York, New York. And he will not be writing on a TV show and we'll have plenty of free time. No,
me being impatient. [Laughter] Hey, I'm in the Hamptons. Then Calgary
with Adam Ray. Uh Las Vegas, Dallas. Hello. And then uh good old Akran, Ohio,
Dayton. Then we're going to Halifax. I've never been there. I'm pretty excited. Ottawa, Huntsville, Hattisburg, San Jose, Boulder. We added a show. And
then we're off to Europe. Athens, Oslo, Stockholm, Helsinki, Dublin, then back
to some casino and uh Valley Center. Off to Mcoobies, Rochester, DC, Chocolate
City, Rochester, Niagara Falls, San Diego. Come on out. Say hello. Get some
Bodega. BodegaW whiskey.com. And just just uh DM the Bodega whiskey account on Instagram.
Matt, our our boy will will get it in your liquor store. I me stumbling in the beauty bar drunk might have gotten us in
a beauty bar in New York. So there you go. That's how it happens. Two guys were like, "Why don't they serve bodega
here?" And I go, "Why don't you know ask the owner right there?" And they did. And he goes, "You have a whiskey? I think I think we're in.
We got to keep you drinking just for business. I'll I'll keep stumbling in, dude. Hell yeah. The stumble in. We should
work. Stumble in. Walk in, you know, smoothly."
Yeah. Well, folks, yeah, check out the special. higher mic to write for you if
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you're Brad Pitt level. Are you doing the SPS? No. Ah,
no. Something about the way I look in sports, they just didn't put the two together.
All right. Well, you guys are the best. Yeah, this a fun one. And uh we'll see you guys next week. Sunday's day for my
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